― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
hey! you dropped your spoon!
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
"...the mighty riff machine YES went into overdrive with riffs like “Owner of a Lonely Heart,” where Trevor Rabin took a flare gun and burned the corrupt apartheid state to the ground!"
The thing is, I had never really noticed that "Smoke on the Water" and "Owner of a Lonely Heart" have essentially the same riff! So the piece taught me something, as well as making me chuckle.
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link
actually, i think it was you guys (Chuck, Blount, et al.) who made the shift from reader to "casual reader." it does make your points easier to defend. also, if i remember correctly, the guy who started the thread stated he was a regular reader of Xgau's.
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link
well, it's amazing how dunderheaded some people can be. (look it up)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 23 April 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
So let's keep those snappy putdowns coming! After all, that's the apex of music criticism for most writers.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link
That's me. And I am! I actually like the guy's writing! Chuck's though...peeee-ewe!
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link
xgau often has nice little bits of critical observation in his reviews; but on other occasions it seems like once you've figured out the pun (and there are sometimes impediments to even doing that; a grammatical error here, a lack of context there), there's no further insight to be gleaned. that's no mortal sin; people are obviously enjoying his writing just the same. but it's not what i look for in a critic.
to cite an example of a critic whose writing can be impossibly dense, even obscure on occasion, and yet full of revelations and pointed observations, see manny farber.
i think my criticisms of xgau have been pretty mild, so i'm a bit bewildered by the vehemence of some responses here. i don't know what engenders this wolf pack defensiveness re rock criticism that i sometimes perceive.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
could have something to do with all the rock critics lying around.
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link
Actually, I think I've been fairly UN-vehement today, at least compared to yesterday, at least until my most recent post. Oh well!
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
You don't say?? Coulda fooled me, Shakey -- every piece in the Voice music section I edit reads EXACTLY like that Queen piece (which I, uh, comprehended and loved, though I did not myself edit or run it)! That's my rule: If you don't write like Dave Queen, don't even think of pitching me ideas! (And that goes double for all you jazz critics!)
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
(I assume Chuck's being sarcastic, since I don't read the Voice - I live in SF why would I bother...)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link
x-post
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
Well, you were the one to bring it up so I was curious.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link
Well, that explains a lot, Shakey -- if I didn't read the Voice music section, I'd under-rate the current state of rock criticism, too!
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 23 April 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
(Hell, I don't think I know what some of my favorite songs are "supposed to" mean.)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:08 (twenty years ago) link
What is a "true summer"? Why is there a distinction being drawn at all between a "true summer" and yr regular old summer?
"Jon Andersen tired of being a milkman"
This sounds like a fabrication meant as a joke, except I don't understand why it should be funny. Unless Dave Q thinks it's clever to say "this is the truth!" before telling an obvious lie. Which doesn't seem very clever to me.
"he decided to combine the Mars Volta with the Outfield"
Okay, so he's fucking with the timeline here (tho I dunno who the Outfield is), but what for? Do Yes actually sound like Mars Volta and the Outfield?
"'Owner of a Lonely Heart' where Trevor Rabin took a flare fun and burned the corrupt apartheid state to the ground!"
Huh? Is "Owner of a Lonely Heart" even about apartheid? A flare gun is used as a distress signal, but the sentence implies it was intentional. Or did he burn the state to the ground (which is in itself a bad metaphor - how does one burn an abstraction "to the ground"?) by mistake? I don't get it. Why use a "flare gun" instead of "flamethrower"? And why bother figuring all that out when it doesn't seem to actually have anything to do with the music and is just something Dave Q thought was a funny image?
"(TEMPO CHANGE)"
haha - okay, the headers so far are the only thing that work in the article.
"All the Yes covers are really photographs from outer-space telescopes, so they're actually TRUE."
This seems to tie back to the "true summers" thing but I still don't get what for. Are Yes obsessed with "the Truth"? Is there some conflict between truth/falseness going on in their music that I should understand implicitly?
"Except for the cover of Relayer (1974), which is a photo of my apartment block after I stupidly lit the crack pipe with the gas burner on."
Don't know the cover, so don't know if this is another complex joke I'm out of the loop on. Otherwise this looks like the same trick as the first paragraph - stating "the truth" then following it up with an obvious fabrication (unless Dave Q really is a crack smoker that burned his block down).
And that's about where I stopped reading the first time I read this article, cuz frankly the article's entertainment value was inversely proportional to the effort it took to read it. I read the whole thing a few minutes ago but this is all I have time to write about right now, let the flamewar begin now that I've publicly slagged off the writing of an ILM regular....
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link