Let's talk about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and how unbelievably fucked up this all is

The state attorney's office also said a voice analysis would be conducted on 911 calls from the night of the shooting to determine who was yelling for help.

this mystery should be over soon.

in Zimmermann's 911 call he points out that the dude is Black like two or three times in the first five minutes. and says 'something is wrong with him' over and over...no specifics.

fucking loon.

you can totally tell he's pursuing Trayvon too because of his voice shaking, his heavy breathing, the excessive background noise...

this zimmerman guy seems like a pretty dim bulb

with a gun! the best kind of bulb.

this makes me so upset.

this whole thing is like a fucking horror movie

between this and the stuff in france it's like why do i ever even pay attention to the news

the france stuff is worse -- or even harder to read.

what a world.

http://motherjones.com/files/images/blog_trayvon_martin_cable_nets.jpg

has everyone heard the 'fucking coons' audio clip from Zimmerman's 911 call?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNI5CA5jijw&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ

some of us don't want to

well, true, but I'm thinking this is what is giving more weight to federal investigation of this as a hate crime; because otherwise this dumb ass florida stand your ground law really means that local authorities don't have any reason to prosecute this.

If this goes to trial, will there be jurors? Will it be hard finding jurors who haven't heard about this on the news?

no, unfortunately.

plz don't estimate the ignorance of north florida

underestimate*

Part of me was thinking this would lead to a self-selected jury group of people who just watch Fox news (since it's not being reported on there?); part of me feels many people tend not to interact w/the news.

troy davis might've been bigger than this and i'm pretty sure half the country still wouldn't be able to tell you who he is.

so the "fucking coons" thing, it certainly sounds LIKE that on the audio, but I have to be honest, it's not definitive by any means.

doesn't matter though. his repeating of the fact that Trayvon was black plus his statement to neighbors "watch out of young black males" indicates racial bias prior to his action.

probably in court

whoops, probably *not in court

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10791755-neighbor-comes-to-defense-of-trayvon-martins-shooter

IT'S THE BLACKS' FAULT THEY MADE ZIMMERMANN PARANOID!!

fuck this neighbor

"“I think he had fed-up issues. He was mad as hell and wasn't going to take it anymore.”"

o_0

I like how he criticizes those for rushing to judgment then clearly indicates he believes Zimmermann acted in self-defense

the "fucking coons" thing, it certainly sounds LIKE that on the audio, but I have to be honest, it's not definitive by any means

So, then you play it to a jury, have the lawyers explain it as best reflects on their case, and the jury decides what it hears. Then, according to jurisprudence, it becomes definitive.

^ yeah, this. i'm like 70-80% sure he says "fucking coons", but it's all ultimately up the the jury. hopefully...

yeah but he has black friends and he was an altar boy. clearly not racist.

BREAKING: Racist defends other racist (xp)

if you had a choice would you rather see

a) george z locked up

or

b) stand your ground law repealed

we shouldn't have to choose

Yeah Id like one to lead to t'other.

fuck anyone even interviewing the neighbor, it's not like he was a witness.

I'd like to see both, but god help the state of Florida if we see neither.

ok i listened to the audio and there's no 70-80% about it, he %100 says fucking coons

is it stupid of me in my searchings to expect zimmerman to give anything even vaguely like an apology or statement of regret?

as long as there is a possibility of him having any kind of charges against him, definitely

xxxpost I remember when we first passed this law and detractors were labeled as paranoid. Now, the statistics indicate a sharp and clear correlating rise in "justifiable homicides" in the state since its passage.

few would dispute someone's right to defend themselves from being under attack, but the problem is clearly, the populace of Florida is interpreting this law VERY loosely, and lawmakers and police are afraid to challenge anybody who uses the defense.

Get rid of it. Now.

The thing is, anyway, eve if Trayvon had robbed a house, and was, say, walking off from that, that fucker has no right to play cop and SHOOT HIM DEAD.

And if Im to believe that law means he legally can and it isnt murder then god help u all :/

well even the dude that drafted the law says it doesn't cover what Zimmermann did. The problem is how the law is interpreted by both citizenry and the law. It's given way too wide of a berth.

oh and Trayce otm

well i ask because i wish the nat'l dialogue was more abt the NRA's favorite fantasy (that if everyone was packing we'd be safer) and less about whether bernard goetz jr should go to jail

I think you're being mildly facetious, but let's be clear: there's a sizable difference between the circumstances surrounding George Zimmerman and those surrounding Bernie Goetz.

right, i'm just drawing the parallel because that was the last time i recall "vigilante justice" seized the nat'l headlines

bernie goetz was arrested and charged (and convicted, although not of much).

and the poor black victims of drive-by crossfire that the pretty white dallas columnist reminds us of (and would equate with) were victims of undoubted criminal activity.

this dude was neither arrested, nor charged, nor investigated, nor anything. it's one very bad thing when a racist jury perverts the law; it's wholly another when the law itself happily accepts perversion.

TPM, others: ALEC & the NRA wrote the 'stand your ground' law(s)

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/stand_your_ground_legislation_that_may_have_let_tr.php

I thought it was common knowledge that NRA sponsored the stand your ground laws?

this is also lol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-_n_1371171.html

"You cannot provoke the confrontation. You cannot be the instigator and then claim 'stand your ground,' Sundby said.

funny, seems like that's exactly what george zimmerman did