Milton Nascimento - s/d

amazing

that's great! what an awesome photo the original is too.

v gd, tick!

Yes!! I also listened to that album on Spotify last night. Nice

Out of boredom and procrastination I decided to go through the RYM all time albums list and find the highest ranked one that I was just not familiar with at all. Which was actually a Kyuss record, which seemed pretty cool but sounded exactly like every stoner rock record.

BUT, the second one was Clube Da Esquina, and wow, this is such a where-have-you-been-all-my-life album.

Assuming the photo here is that went missing a little bit upthread http://brasillinois.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/boys-from-clube-da-esquina-cover-located-after-40-years/

that is great

I think the extent of my familiarity with him prior to now was from Native Dancer. I also just finally heard the original Ponta De Areia, which is amazing

In any case, he happened to be in town, and with only a week’s notice was booked to fill an empty night at this new club.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lyricwiki/images/9/9f/Milton_Nascimento_-_Milton_%2776.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141025202033

First two tracks on this are extremely my shit right now.

Some incredible vocal phrasing on "my fairytale friend".. hot Shorter playing too

Stick around for "Cloves and cinnamon", that is one pretty track.

Short North American tour coming

I wonder if he's going to be wearing a Milton Nascimento t-shirt.

...not likely, he's got a new look:
https://✧✧✧.tenhomaisdiscosqueami✧✧✧.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Milton-Nascimento-2022-FOT✧✧✧@marcoshermes✧✧✧.j✧✧

He says he is going to retire from touring after this, which isn't a huge surprise. It's been 8 years since he played in New York and after a couple of years I started thinking there might not be another opportunity to see him.

https://✧✧✧.tenhomaisdiscosqueami✧✧✧.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Milton-Nascimento-2022-FOT✧✧✧@marcoshermes✧✧✧.j✧✧

Well, in the photo i'm trying to post he is sporting a bald head (i guess the braids were a wig?) and an elaborately embroidered technicolor robe thing.

all for a new look if that is what he wants.

Definitely, I only brought it up because there was a period a several years back when he was only and always photographed wearing Milton Nascimento t-shirts. There was a thread about musicians wearing their own t-shirts and I mentioned him as an example of someone who had taken this to a whole other level.

Saw that other thread. Good stuff.

He seemed to have retired earlier, but this North American tour this year is now being billed as a retirement tour I think

"There was a thread about musicians wearing their own t-shirts"

Can you link please? I can't seem to find it. TIA.

That photo appears here: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/may/27/milton-nascimento-brazil-farewell-tour

Anyone else prefers Lô Borges' solo career than Milton's ?
(I've heard Milton's 1967 s/t, Milton, Geraes, I don't think I listened to Minas in its entirety. That's against Lô Borges 1972 s/t and a Via Lactea, I need to listen to Nuvem cigana)

I'd more or less agree with that based on what I've heard: a few more Miltons, the same Lôs. It did take me a while to fully embrace A Via Lactea though, and iirc I really love Geraes. Obviously, Clube is what it is because you get the best of both their approaches

Has anyone been to the Pantheon in Rome? The exterior doesn't look like much. On the outside, it's unassuming at best, if not ungainly, and this plainness makes the breathtaking monumental beauty of the rotunda all the more astonishing. The biggest surprise is a massive dome, not visible at street level, that opens to the heavens at the top and the impact of this is all the things people say about Milton Nascimento's voice- "divine", "sublime", "otherworldly". What I'm trying to say, in terms of Clube da Esquina, is that Milton is the oculus that elevates this ragtag bunch of misfits to the height of a pantheon and crowns the boy Lo Borges prince.

And people always recommend Nelson Angelo & Joyce, Arthur Verocai as companion pieces (see jaxon upthread). I absolutely love those records, don't get me wrong. Everyone should hear those records. NA&J explores a connection between the intimacy of lovers and divinity, and in that sense might scratch the same itch. But it's really more about the former. Verocai, though- that record is much more controlled and precise and very much in thrall to this idea of a recording as the "master performance" that Clube da Esquina gleefully blows raspberries in the face of. In other words it is a Masterpiece by a Genius, which is one reason Celia's "Na Boca Do Sol" trounces his own: it doesn't put the song on a pedestal. Of all the "companion" albums, Disco do Tenis highlights the looseness of Clube da Esquina's approach, the tunings are even more imprecise, and it engages with Belo Horizonte at the street level, compared to Milton's bird's-eye view.

Now, if you're going to make a case for Lo > Milton, it makes no sense whatsoever to frame it in terms of a "career". Milton's discography from 1970-76 is absolutely unimpeachable (Minas is his best album, btw), with 77-80 not far behind. With Lo there's... a confounding 7 gap in his resume between Disco do Tenis and A Via Lactea, during what surely would have been his artistic peak. And then all his albums after the debut have one or two indelible, instant sugar rush pop moments (e.g. Equatorial, Força Do Vento, Vagas Estrelas) that outshine the rest. So I would say you need the first one obviously, and otherwise I would take the Best Of, or a mixtape, over any of his albums. The songcraft gets more and more advanced, for sure. He seems to be the kind of songwriter who finds inspiration in learning music theory, but give me an oculus.

The t shirt thread is here.

Deflatormous, do you speak Portuguese? I do not and often find that lack is something of a problem when talking about BR music with people who do. Maybe in this case, (my not) being raised Catholic could also be a factor.

I'm not sure I understand your oculus metaphor, but I almost said in my earlier post that I tend to think of Clube as Milton's album with Borges more of the guest artist. I didn't post that because I don't remember much about the historical circumstances of the recording and didn't want to slight Borges without cause, but fwiw it ~feels~ that way to me, possibly due to his subsequently scant output as you mentioned.

To my memory Minas has some astonishingly beautiful parts but is a little uneven as an album? Or maybe it's just too much ravishing gorgeousness to take in one sitting or something. Or some of the fusion-y sounds didn't work for me when I first heard it. At any rate, I'm going to put it on now and figure it out.

The less entertaining take on this particular T/S would be that it's pretty wild that Clube, Borges s/t, and Minas + Geraes all exist in this fallen world.

I totally get why NA&J would be part of this convo, but I tend to turn to that album for something else, which might be what you're getting at too.

Not exactly following oculus metaphor either.

x-post to another -
Here's the thread with Nascimento wearing t-shirts with his own photo on them. I think there's another thread somewhere of musicians wearing t-shirts of musicians who they sound nothing like.

Wearing a band's t-shirt to one of their concerts: Classic or Dud?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/f0/0c/48f00c43a69ea9902aae02b2c09433a5--vatican-rome-roman-holiday.jpg

incase it helps

Deflatormous, do you speak Portuguese? I do not and often find that lack is something of a problem when talking about BR music with people who do.

I tried to learn Portuguese years ago but didn't get too far. I've read most of the lyrics in translation, which I know doesn't count for much- but I will say that some artists' songs really come up when you know what the words mean (Chico Buarque, Jorge Ben) while others sorta plateau, and these guys are among those that mostly plateau. And it seems important that Milton does so many astonishing wordless vocals, and his vocalizations have that openness.

Or some of the fusion-y sounds didn't work for me when I first heard it.

It has that veneer, i never found it off putting.

I tend to think of Clube as Milton's album with Borges more of the guest artist.

this is accurate and Milton holds court to a degree but he doesn't play the control freak, it's a group of very musical friends hanging out and the informality of it is very important for me.

I totally get why NA&J would be part of this convo, but I tend to turn to that album for something else, which might be what you're getting at too.

Indeed, it's much clearer the way you said it lol

Looks like all the surviving shots of Milton on the t-shirt thread are professional portraits, fairly sure the others were much more snapshotty pics of him hangin with his pals fwiw.

Milton > Lo, but love Lo as well.

Milagres dos Peixes is all time <3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h1l0BV4SIY

But Clube is a very collective effort btw – I don't think it would exist without the whole surrounding musicians and lyricists as well...

Agree with all that.

I wish the lineage of 12 string guitar sounds, how they're tuned and their role in a mix was derived from 'Lilia' instead of 'Ticket to Ride' or the Byrds.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C09ymoOOjHn/

Nice photo of those 2

Nice

Nascimento is name checked by all GOATS like Bacharach.

<3

somebody needs to reissue clube da esquina

I'm still early in discovering this man's music but I quite like his confusingly named Miltons from 1988, which is him on guitar and vocal, Herbie Hancock on piano. it's gentle but lively, with occasional bits that get more energy than that (a crazy Hancock solo on "San Vincente"). Haven't heard his classic 70s albums yet so I don't know how this one compares but that'll be next for me to check out

and I started with that album because of Nascimento's beautiful track with Paul Simon on Rhythm of the Saints. The two albums came out around the same time and have a similar dreamy quality