yeah
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago) link
some really embarrassing moments in it that you just have to look past
one really embarrassing moment in heat = when diane venora intones the words "you sift through the detritus"
actually that whole scene is bleh
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:36 (twelve years ago) link
dead tech post-modernistic bullshit house
in mohicans?
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:41 (twelve years ago) link
IIRC yes. last time i watched it all was probably 5 years ago. remember some really torrid scenes with unvarnished acting, also some awkward battle scenes.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link
ddl gives a spectacular physical performance but some of his line readings are kinda deadly. its always been hard for me to tell if that's just the role, though. i think those qualities mostly work in the movies favor just because its trying to be an unironic, stirring period epic - stuff like the 'i will find you' scene really works, and i think the material is one of the best possible matches for mann's humor-free sensibility. and i think he does a better job of communicating his themes in it than in a lot of his other pictures, and of getting us into his characters' heads.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:01 (twelve years ago) link
I once saw the silent version of Last of the Mohicans and thought it was pretty cool that Mann copied almost exactly a bunch of shots from it.
― ryan, Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Even Public Enemies, which is a clear example of Mann falling short of potential, has one of my favorite shots of all time, this running board cam of one of Depp's buddies dying as they escape from the prison. You just see him hanging on for dear life even as the life fades from his eyes, and they he drops off and disappears. Mann's also been really into this intimate, over the shoulder POV since he went digital and cameras got smaller.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
he's been into that since Heat - he uses those shots really well to put you 'in the moment' & i think hes better at that than any director around
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone else notice that nearly every one of his films has been released in a director's cut or tweak of some sort save Thief and Insider? Alternate versions of Manhunter, Mohicans, Miami Vice, Ali and even Heat exist. Only Ali may be better than the original, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
xpost, Yeah, the over the shoulder stuff during the street shoot out in Heat is pretty incredible.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:13 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ya I remember this super well
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
So many problems with Ali but the opening 30 mins or wtv are incredible
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
he uses those shots really well to put you 'in the moment' & i think hes better at that than any director around
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:15 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yah well said there's something abt the way he uses digital that evokes this vibe really intensely, feel like he understands the medium better than anyone
― lag∞n, Saturday, 17 March 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
Public Enemies was an uninteresting failure.
― I Fucked Up (jer.fairall), Sunday, 18 March 2012 04:43 (twelve years ago) link
ur an uninteresting failure
― lag∞n, Sunday, 18 March 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
o damn
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 18 March 2012 06:26 (twelve years ago) link
lots of great moments in Public Enemies, especially the death (shot on Celluloid!) and the forest shoot-out (just well done) but no, it doesn't hang together quite how it should. Looks great though. Miami Vice might be his masterpiece though.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 18 March 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/michael-mann-david-milch-interview-luck-horses-cancellation.html
― Clay, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^^ just came to post that. great read.
― dmr, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
high level milching:
I would just say that you’re coming up against certain deep, fundamental biological truths: that any living thing is subject to the laws of mortality, and that there was nothing that was done with any of these horses that was unnatural, nothing that was other than what they had evolved to do. [In claiming otherwise], there’s a kind of moral and emotional fastidiousness that is entailed, which at a certain point becomes absurd. Organic matter depends upon the appropriation and consumption of other organic matter. There are just truths that obtain whether we find them pleasant or not. The kind of flinching from any form of art or experience that PETA seems to advocate is ultimately life-hating.
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting. I like listening to these guys talk.
I could have sworn way back when that Deadwood was not cancelled, per se, but that Milch walked away. But recently it's been increasingly coming up as cancelled. What went down, exactly?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://blog.jopinionated.com/2007/08/22/exclusive-deadwoodjohn-from-cincinnati-actor-jim-beaver-responds.aspx
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
hbo canceled it, then reacted to the fan/media backlash by offering milch two two hour episodes to wrap things up but at that point the actors had been released from their contracts milch was working on john from cincinnati wkrp and it never happened
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
iirc
ive said this before but i think all he does now are 'interesting failures' -
Mentioned upthread re Mann, but hard to see Milch doing anything but as well, unless he makes his Moby Dick.
― "Flashy...hip" (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
hbo cancelling deadwood was just incredibly stupid on their part.
― akm, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
it was a tragic is what it was!
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
booo! booing u hbo, damn
But wasn't the show sort of backed in a corner by the fact that, you know, it was based on actual people and their fates? Can't keep Hearst the local heavy when he becomes a senator. Though I guess they could have tried.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think that had any effect on anything. They weren't trying to keep the show on the air forever, just finish telling their story. HBO cut them off one season short.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/michael-mann-david-milch-interview-luck-horses-cancellation.html?mid=twitter_vulture
― "Flashy...hip" (Eazy), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
there was gonna be a flood and a fire!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
Hearst left at the end of Season 3, though he sort of won. Season 4 would have dealt with the fallout of the elections. xposts
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
Sepinwall interviews Milch about the finale.
I didn't realise that Milch new the end of Deadwood was...the end. I thought that scene at the end was too perfect.
Thought Luck really found its way towards the end there. Also thought the last two eps got the Mann-style really well. I will miss it.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 26 March 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
That episode was amazing.
― polyphonic, Monday, 26 March 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. Bittersweet. I really liked this show a lot.
Up there I meant "knew" and not "new.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 26 March 2012 07:27 (twelve years ago) link
god that last episode was great-- so sad its over
"whats the story with us?""i suspect in the long run, we all go broke"
i want to see a "making of" that explains how the fuck they shot the racing scenes
― ♆ (gr8080), Sunday, 8 April 2012 08:09 (twelve years ago) link
HBO's cancellation of the beleagured horseracing drama "Luck" cost the network $35 million, according to an earnings report released by Time Warner Wednesday.
Time Warner, which owns the premium cable provider, said it suffered the "impairment" because of the series' cancellation in its first season following the death of three horses.
The show had already started production on its second season, and most of the costs were attached to shutting down production during that unaired season, resulting in the $35 million writedown, HBO said.
― buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:17 (eleven years ago) link
so that's how much a horse costs
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:21 (eleven years ago) link
they can make it back, go hard on the derby this wkend
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:15 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure if this is upthread, but a very sobering piece about the horse racing industry:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/30/us/breakdown-horses-series.html
― polyphonic, Friday, 11 May 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.followhorseracing.com/en/the-latest/blogs/2013/02/17/out-of-luck-episode-1-buy-low-sell-high/
― caek, Thursday, 21 February 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
holy cow that horse run very good.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, January 9, 2012 6:37 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― caek, Thursday, 21 February 2013 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/david-milch-made-100m-gambled-866184
― salthigh, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:32 (eight years ago) link
Damn, he looks pretty good for 70.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link