Indeed Ned, I'm still trying to get my head around it myself. While listening to a track like 'Metal' now, where both Ced Sharpley and Paul Gardiner create that really precise groove that really drives the song along, I can't help but not only think of what a loss it is that the people responsible for moments like that no longer with us, but I also get the feeling that maybe Numan didn't realise how great a rhythm section he had in those two. Take the rhythm section away from a lot of the tracks on The Pleasure Principle, and there's a great deal missing.
I always admired Ced not only for the way he and Gardiner really locked together and sounded (to my ears, anyway) really exciting, but his timekeeping was really impeccable too. I'm thinking of the title track from Telekon for example, where there's a crossfade at the end between Ced's drumming and the drum machine at the end, and they're both very closely in time with one another. Or the way he always used to stay in time with the drum machine that runs throughout 'Remind Me To Smile' whenever they played it live. This is before we even get to his drum sound!
There have been odd mentions over the years about Numan's influence on hip-hop here and there. But I'd like to put forward that those people weren't actually listening to Numan. They were listening to Ced and Paul.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:50 (five years ago) Permalink
Would have to agree, though Numan and through him Kraftwerk brought in the love of strange electronic textures and melodies, so it's more of an even split.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:52 (five years ago) Permalink
My god, that Dramatis record is such a confused mess isn't it!?
― Turrican, Saturday, 21 November 2015 20:45 (one year ago) Permalink
Newman live in 2015 is sad af, not because he doesn't have it anymore (his voice is gr8) but bcuz his band is shitty Rob Zombie style industrial metal blechhhhh. That would be cool if he reunited with Pino Paladino lol.
― kurt schwitterz, Saturday, 21 November 2015 20:54 (one year ago) Permalink
Numan sheesh* now it seems like talking about the Seinfeld guy.
― kurt schwitterz, Saturday, 21 November 2015 20:55 (one year ago) Permalink
I actually agree, I'd love for Numan to team back up with Palladino and some of the guys from the earlier tours and do I, Assassin, some of the more uptempo numbers from Dance and some of the better tracks from Warriors. Palladino is a great bassist, obviously, but would he be able to pull off some of Karn's stuff on Dance like 'A Subway Called "You"'? It'd be great if he could and did.
― Turrican, Saturday, 21 November 2015 21:01 (one year ago) Permalink
ha 'Cars' just popped up on random play on my computer. I don't mind a bit of ind metal but the more Numan leans that way the less interested I am in his records.
― Eins zwei PoliSci (snoball), Saturday, 21 November 2015 21:01 (one year ago) Permalink
I think he does it better on some albums than others. I love Splinter, Pure and Sacrifice and some of the stuff on Dead Son Rising and Exile, but I struggle to get through Jagged in one sitting.
― Turrican, Saturday, 21 November 2015 21:03 (one year ago) Permalink
But man, that Dramatis album... the track they did with Numan ('Love Needs No Disguise') is (of course) great, but the album itself (For Future Reference) strikes me as being more than a bit messy. All the members of Dramatis were more than capable musicians, but none of them had an anywhere near decent voice. RRussell Bell, Denis Haines and Chris Payne all take turns at singing lead and none of them are really suited to the role - although Bell probably does the best job overall, but that's not saying much. Also, throughout the course of the record, they seem to be going to great lengths to prove to the listener how musicianly they are while forgetting to write some anywhere near decent material. If they'd worked on the actual songwriting and got a decent lead vocalist in, they may have been onto something. It's telling that the best track they ever did has Numan on vocals, even though Numan never had the greatest voice in the world. I don't think Numan had a hand in writing any part of 'Love Needs No Disguise', though, so they could have done so much better if they'd been more focused.
― Turrican, Saturday, 21 November 2015 21:59 (one year ago) Permalink