Ya but not THREE
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
is he really pompous or is that just a reaction to the mythmaking around the milchian 'genius', which he has no control of? i think he has some blowhard tendencies but isn't particularly self-important beyond holding the belief that his should be the primary creative voice on his projects - a trait he shares with any decent director
hes not a medium talent but i do think his vision would benefit from being molded or directed a bit so that he doesn't disappear up his own ass too much - which is why Luck was so promising on paper (ive only seen the first four eps)
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
I think his larger desires about what he wants to express can overshadow things (John from Cincinnati, for instance) but he's got a great handle on storytelling, episode structure, and character arcs.
I don't think he cares about seeming pompous though. Anyone who brings along the Kierkegaard to a seminar he's giving for a media class isn't concerned seeming pretentious. More power to him, I say.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
yeah milch talent > milch pompousness
― Simon H., Friday, 16 March 2012 04:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i think he's talented (although i thought that every other deadwood episode was a complete mess) but he is indisputably self-important
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
Dude wants to live up to Robert Penn Warren's ambritions.
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0168e8cda3e1970c-pi
Needs cartoon bat.
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.good.is/post/if-we-don-t-kill-horses-for-tv-why-kill-them-for-gambling/
― caek, Friday, 16 March 2012 09:20 (twelve years ago) link
We Eat Horses, Don't We?
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 10:02 (twelve years ago) link
As always, I highly recommend folks dig up that New Yorker profile of Milch. He's likely a bona fide genius (even if I think his output outside of Deadwood has been erratic). Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful. He's less beholden to a muse and more able to simply buckle down and do what needs to be done.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link
Link?
― I Fucked Up (jer.fairall), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5893747/since-december-16-horses-have-died-at-aqueduct-racetrack
― s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
lets get real here folks, this show was canceled because no ones watching it
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
I thought that at first but not so sure. There's fewer people watching Enlightened and it's still on. Treme is in its third season and was drawing about the same numbers as Luck from what I've heard.
I mean I guess it was a combo of bad PR + expensive to produce + ratings not that great. But I don't really think HBO was just looking for an out here.
― dmr, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Even if not that many people watched it was still a "prestige show" and Dustin Hoffman's first ever TV gig
― dmr, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
Enlightened probably doesn't cost 1/20th of what Luck does.
― akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful.
He's also terrifying, and a careerist of the first magnitude. His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs.
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
and kills 1/20th of the horses
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
I think laura dern is going to slit a horse's throat in the season opener
― akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
mann is a genius fuiud
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
no one suggested he wasnt?
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
yah remy did
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Mann's a genius, too
oh rlly
Ali, The Insider, Collateral... jeezus, up there w/ the best of Renoir
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
shhh go watch e.t.
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
Heat was at least like a nutty 3-hour condensation of these endless HBO shows you guys love
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
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he said hes ALSO terrifying and etc., which means he agrees with the genius premise
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
Trigger lived through Son of Paleface
http://www.buyersmls.com/RoyRogers/paleface/bobtrig.jpg
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs
I realize josh and remy are just having a v strange convoluted conversation but still
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
the insider is better than anything spielberg has done in the last 25 years or so tbh
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
jeez war horse right up there with renoir
i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
many of my favourite geniuses do tons of horrible shit
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
(altman, spielberg, mann, de palma...)
wild inconsistency is almost a defining feature of genius
s1ocki, we've prob been over this; I bet your films are better than the crap you like.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
weve been over this
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
slocki
that's like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is :D
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
patiently waiting for you to arrange a screening for me btw!
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
morbs you realize i like probably 90% of what you like, there's just like... other stuff i like too
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
is 'heat' the Great one?
― Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
morbs can't resist dead horses
― polyphonic, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
oh shiiiiiiiiiiii
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
Mann has been making the same great movie in different iterations since "Thief."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
“A director makes only one movie in his life. Then he breaks it into pieces and makes it again.” -Jean Renoir
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
Here's the infamously fascinating New Yorker piece, btw:
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact_singer
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
And while it's pointless to argue with Morbs ... Morbs, even you have to admire Mann's formal gifts, right? Even if you for some reason disdain his philosophical/thematic stuff? And even then, I can't believe you'd say a bad thing about "The Insider," one of the best movies of the legendary 1999 slate.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
Heat and Collateral are pretty much untouchable. Basically Josh OTM. Even if there are lots of irritating bits or silly soap-ish themes or etc. there are still at least a few amazing redeeming shots and moments which are stone classic.
― s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link