rolling punk/non-indie underground 2012

pig's rectum zinged in arcade fire beef

^ delicious if cooked the right way

lol

Bastard Noise was just added to the lineup of the Dissonance Party in San Francisco. If you haven't seen them before, they are a PUNISHING live act.

OTM on history of "indie" semantics: I distinctly remember one critic friend describing a band's sound as "indie rock" circa '00, and me replying that indie isn't a sound but a DIY business ethos--she was younger and from Portland. Not long after another Minneapolis friend put out the K-Tel Gimme Indie Rock compilation (about a third of which I'd consider punk), and I had to admit that the term had gained some general currency as a replacement for "college rock." Then it narrowed further as a bunch of bands came along sounding like Pavement and dressing like the D.C. Embassy kids (fashions brought to New York by Jonathan Fire*Eater, I reckon), so "indie" in the '00s came to mean '90s-hipster (read: ex-punk) fashions and '00s Strokes-y guitars.

I'd stuck to "punk" so stubbornly as an umbrella term for the whole independent music culture that I remember interviewing Mark Robinson circa '93 and asking him if Unrest was punk and him saying that word meant nothing to him. We used "underground pop" a lot in the early '90s to demarcate from the commercial ambitions of "alternative rock" and the perceived narrowness of "punk," and I still stuck to "indie" as a business description until critics started using it to describe bands on major labels. Now "independent" works just fine. By the mid-'00s my old '90s bandmate informed me he was into punk rock and disdained anything "indie," so I can see where the exclusive embrace of "punk" comes from.

But many punks (I'm thinking of another influential Minneapolis acquaintance) took it to ridiculous extremes: Suddenly anything that came out on Dischord after Marginal Man was indie-rock-not-punk by definition. When I saw Fugazi in 1990 at Turner Hall in Madison, WI, it was very much a punk show: same venue, cost, poster-style, slam-dancing, fashions, and by and large crowd as the one seeing Black Flag or Naked Raygun in '85. To me alternative, indie, undie, local-music, whatever scenes of the '90s were largely just the old punk crowd expanded by demographics (more kids every year) and embracing rap and metal more freely.

The revelation for me of getting into these threads and hardcore and Maximumrocknroll Radio over the past year has been to discover just how much great punk I've missed, partly because of my own prejudices, partly because traditional new-music outlets have ignored so much punk, and partly because so much punk has ignored traditional new-music outlets right back.

bastard noise hit and miss in my experience, you might want to also mention them here: rolling NOISE thread 2012

speaking of MRR, their review of the new FNU ronnies sounds like it was written by somebody thawed out after being cryogenically frozen in the 80s

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425667_10150680427351505_309957811504_8997503_472967158_n.jpg

lol, nice

new Slices is up on the label's bandcamp: http://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/slices-still-cruising-lp

it's way grungier than the first album which I *think* they make work - speeds up in the second half but I get a Sub Pop-circa-1989 kinda vibe from it on first play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZa4lNTySX8

new skoal kodiak video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MztEjjCPLbA#!

that video is basically how I imagine minneapolis, ppl getting drunk, cars crashing in the snow, plows flipping over

my band was going to play a show with skoal kodiak last year but their drummer threw out his back and they had to cancel their tour. I was bummed.

ooh too band edward, they are quite a force of nature live.

people in mpls are way better drunk driving in snow than that

btw, another bunch of (former) locals Clipd Beaks have a new album out on Bandcamp:

http://clipdbeaks.bandcamp.com/

(was recorded around the time of their excellent album To Realize)

if it sounds like the set they played live a week or so back, it's kinda a different sound for them.

yea heard nothing but good things about SK live show

and not to speak ill of them, because i like the records but frankly i would say that they are one of those bands that's not going to ever be totally captured on a record IMO

that's ok I'm sure they'll make more money from playing shows to big crowds than they ever will from record sales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldR83aCcATM

cute!

...drummer

that's members of the hunches in high school

http://teenagelobotomies.blogspot.com/2010/05/marvelous-darlings-singles.html

the Slices album is pretty cool
the new Broken Water single is AWESOME

Looking forward to last year's Royal Headache album finally getting a US release.

great band^

happened upon a group on bandcamp called fake limbs. they're from chicago.

http://fakelimbs.bandcamp.com/album/man-feelings

also, that slices album is the shit.

i dunno where else to post this but new merchandise
http://katorgaworks.bigcartel.com/product/merchandise-children-of-desire-lp

ha i kind of feel like that fake limbs album is designed for me - local dudes, love the band name, album name, album cover, song titles. the songs could be a little better but i like it.

they kinda sound like rye coalition before they went totally led zep

dang they opened for bottomless pit here last week :( wish i had known

chris thomson from the monorchid/skull kontrol/ignition/red-eyed legends has a new band called coffin pricks
http://soundcloud.com/coffin-pricks

ooooh interested

sounds pretty good, maybe a little more straight-ahead than his other bands but i always like to hear him singing. i think he posted on ilx once to correct my spelling of his last name

man i'd like to see bottomless pit again

I love Chris Thomson, but the Red-Eyed Legends sounded kinda lifeless to me when I listened to it, which was not something I would have ever imagined from a CT record. Maybe my memory is harsh. Coffin Pricks sound alright so far ...

yeah i could never get into REL as much as skull kontrol or the monorchid

yeah i saw red-eyed legends too and they didn't do much for me

I think maybe they just weren't good. Whereas Skull Kontrol, The Monorchid, and Circus Lupus were great.

feel like his bands always start out strong and then fade pretty quickly, maybe that's why he's in a new band every couple of years?

Yeah, maybe so. Don't know much about the dude at all, just like the records from those bands. Liked the first Skull Kontrol a lot better than the second though, so perhaps true overall.

I know a bunch of folks who weren't into Red Eyed Legneds much I always liked seeing them and dig the records, though I am admitedly biased.

Heard some of the Coffin Pricks stuff and I really like, though again I'm pretty much a sucker for any CT thing

<3 skull kontrol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4ltm_EP4I

That whole record rules. Played the hell out of it when I had a radio show. Plus, it's got Rick Froberg on it!

Man, what does Andy Coronado do now? That guy's playing hits so many sweet spots for me. Was he in the Wrangler Brutes too?

he was

Thought so, thanks (could have looked it up I guess). Gonna go listen to some Coronado.

new band from chicago called Football, one guy used to be in some great bands in mpls

http://soundcloud.com/football-chicago

initially riff reminds me of A Frames but then it gets a bit more garage but it's cool

Football were sort of ridic metal-y when I saw them but I think they have "evolved" since then, natch

haha really weird

I think it was their first non-Super Bowl show and everyone(me)was really drunk so that might have affected my preception of it