Jesus Fucking Christ: evangelical bigwig opposed gay marriage "because it takes the dirt and danger out of clandestine sex with rent-a-men"

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Interestingly, Sodomy didn't come to mean homosexual practice and particularly buggery until fairly late. Until well after the reformation it had a more general meaning.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

homosexuality wasn't that much of a concern to the church until relatively recently, there wasn't even a word for it until the 18th C.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

In the sense that 2003 is 'well after the reformation', you are correct.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link

ed, not quite true, there have been violent oppoistion to same sex activity since the 12th century, and in the 14th century in bohemia and france, there were executions

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I get the impression Ed isn't talking about Other Countries, or even Other Churches.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed OTM, which goes back to my point about the story of Soddom and Gomorrah being in the Bible to illustrate God's scorn for "wickedness" (in this case bloodthirsty rapists) and NOT necisarily homosexuality.

researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"interim rector"

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

homosexuality wasn't that much of a concern to the church until relatively recently, there wasn't even a word for it until the 18th C

how does this square with what's mentioned in the Bible (not taking into account different versions over time), out of interest (and ignorance on this matter)?

2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"Because the male homosexual eats another man's sperm. Sperm is the most concentrated form of blood. The homosexual is eating life."

http://www.kospn.com/images/ltg.gif

2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Some answers here (basically they didn't have a specific name for it because The Sin of Sodom cover All Bad Things)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"how does this square with what's mentioned in the Bible (not taking into account different versions over time), out of interest (and ignorance on this matter)?"

It's square with most people not giving a shit about the 16,000 rules in Leviticus.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex OTM - Christian doctrine was generally more obsessed with interpreting the New Testament (and using it to consolidate power and authority, etc.), not all that old shit abt not eating shellfish or buggering yr buddies.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex

for christians, all of the 16,00 rules of levticus have been updated, with the two rules of christ:

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 37:40


now, you can give us metric tons of shit for not following those two, but dont expect us to keep kosher

xpost with shakey

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

LOCK THREAD!

researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Was it The Cheeky Girls that had that "Touch my bum/This is life" song?

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

What the line that Rabbi Hillel said along this way?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

So..... I guess after all this, Mike Jones Didn't get his way.

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/topic/article/colorado_election_results_beauprez_ritter_perlmutter_odonnell/C69/L37/

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

but he still gave us the most entertaining story of the year, and for that i thank him. really, haggard was kind of like the warm-up for the election. got the crowd loose and cheery for the main event.

i wonder if haggard's kids and santorum's kids can get together for grief counseling or something.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

but he still gave us the most entertaining story of the year, and for that i thank him. really, haggard was kind of like the warm-up for the election. got the crowd loose and cheery for the main event.

totally OTM. In fact, I thought I had Schadenfraude Fatigue going into the elections... turns out I was onlt getting warmed up!

researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 9 November 2006 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

colin, the episcopalian thing was more being happy that they don't hate gays, not that episcopalian priests are somehow immune to indiscretions. they're humans, of course, like all of us. thankfully the american church seems to recognize that (as was well pointed out by a poster that was in my parents' church office for years and years that read "in a church started by a man with eight wives, forgiveness goes without saying").

And what about orange juice? "Do you know why God hates homosexuality?" Anita Bryant asked in the May issue of Miami Magazine. "Because the male homosexual eats another man's sperm. Sperm is the most concentrated form of blood. The homosexual is eating life."

that's funny, considering the eucharist is symbolic cannibalism.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

DOES SHE NOT SUCK TEH COCK???

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"colin, the episcopalian thing was more being happy that they don't hate gays, not that episcopalian priests are somehow immune to indiscretions."

But you also know that the official Church does not speak with one voice on this issue, to say nothing of parishoners. I have known more closeted gay and lesbian Episcopal priests than out ones. (I am including "out to everyone outside a 50mile radius of my Parish" types as closeted, because jeez, c'mon.)

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Buried deep in this post-election story about Lou Sheldon's complaints is this gem that Sullivan unearthed:

Then, as if things could not get worse, there was the disgrace of Sheldon’s own friend and colleague, Rev. Ted Haggard, the Colorado mega-church leader and president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an even bigger pillar of Republican support on the Christian right. Sheldon disclosed that he and “a lot” of others knew about Haggard’s homosexuality “for awhile ... but we weren’t sure just how to deal with it.”

Months before a male prostitute publicly revealed Haggard’s secret relationship with him, and the reverend’s drug use as well, “Ted and I had a discussion,” explained Sheldon, who said Haggard gave him a telltale signal then: “He said homosexuality is genetic. I said, no it isn’t. But I just knew he was covering up. They need to say that.”

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't Pastor Ted getting set off into some brainwashing "you is NOT gaye" camp for 3-5 years? and Dobson's pretty much abandoned him by now, since he's no longer useful?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

THE TELLTALE SIGNAL

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Dobson's pretty much abandoned him by now, since he's no longer useful? his being outed takes the dirt and danger out of clandestine sex.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

And the snake eats its tail...

Abbott (Abbott), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"He said homosexuality is genetic. I said, no it isn’t. But I just knew he was covering up. They need to say that."

I still say if you think sexual orientation is a choice it's because you struggle with your attraction to people of the same sex.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

that's funny, considering the eucharist is symbolic cannibalism.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), November 9th, 2006.

but it's not symbolic man, its for rizzeal! transubstiation!

latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

at least in catholicism...but these guys obvously aren't a part of that, so...you're point remains! consider me pwned!

latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
So apparently the solution to sexual concerns is grad school.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Even better -- he's 'completely heterosexual' now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone please post the youtube clip of that State sketch with the dude converting to heterosexuality and then lapsing over and over again?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

That was Mr. Show, i think, where a dykey Janeane Garofalo was his wife

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

He should go to Deep Springs instead.

http://www.uschesslive.org/crowns/profiles/images/h318266.JPG

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

That was Mr. Show, i think

Yes, you are totally right.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lFo8NGO4nTA

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link


A number of techniques have been used to try to suppress homosexual feelings and/or create heterosexual feelings in gays and lesbians: 1
Lesbians had their breasts amputated.
Lesbians had their perfectly healthy uteri removed.
male gays were given aversion therapy; e.g. clients were shown pictures of naked men and simultaneously shocked with electricity.

Other "treatments" included:
brain surgery in the form of frontal lobotomies.
castration.
counseling and psychotherapy.
drug therapy: e.g. animal-organ extracts, cocaine, estrogen, testosterone.
positive therapy: e.g. men were asked to masturbate and then were shown pictures of women just before orgasm.
prayer and spiritual counseling.
therapy by tedium: men were shown homoerotic pictures until they became totally bored.
During the Nazi regime in Germany, Himmler attempted to "cure" gays by requiring them to visit the camp brothel at Flossenburg. "Ten Ravensbruck women provided the services with little success. The women [were later]...shipped to Auschwitz" for execution.
bullet During the recent apartheid regime in South Africa, gays and lesbians were considered deviants. They were sent to a special ward of a military hospital to be "rehabilitated." This involved electric shock treatments and chemical castration. Those who could not be "cured" were given sex-change operations. A number of "patients" died.

The success rate of these therapies in actually changing clients' sexual orientation appears to have been between 0% and something less than 0.1%. The success rate at changing clients' sexual behavior is much greater. Some of these techniques can persuade homosexuals to be celibate, either through terror, guilt, or persuasion that God considers same-sex behavior to be an abomination. They can persuade bisexuals to confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex. They may even be able to train gays to successfully have sex with a woman, while fantasize about making love to another man. But therapies do not seem to be capable of changing one's feelings -- one's sexual orientation -- in the vast majority of people.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

ick, i found this banner ad while trolling around for "conversion therapy" sites:

http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N1942.Christianpost/B2123671;sz=728x90

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

homosinuality

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

such fun

kingfish, Sunday, 27 May 2007 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Fisting in a Christian relationship:

http://www.sexinchrist.com/fist.html

Surely a hoax site?

moley, Sunday, 27 May 2007 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link

(1) To avoid the impropriety of male homosexuality, a heterosexual couple should not under any circumstances form a threesome with another man.
(2) Both women involved in the threesome must be willing to keep within traditional female roles (i.e., not taking on masculine appearance or behavior in or out of the bedroom) and recognize the male as the leader in the relationship.
(3) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, it may be permissible for the husband to have relations with her only with his wife’s consent.
(4) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, but the wife does not wish her to have relations with the other woman, the husband should respect this.
(5) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, her husband must not have objections to the relationship.
(6) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, the husband should refrain from having any sexual relations with her, and should make every effort to control his fantasies about her. He should concentrate his attention on his own wife.

TOMBOT, Sunday, 27 May 2007 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

not exactly a hoax, but...

kingfish, Sunday, 27 May 2007 07:05 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

"Need money 4 degree"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link

i regret that all the jokes that would once have been funny are now hackneyed

elan, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link

This is from that website

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malicious parody definitely

Heave Ho, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

technicalvirgin.com

kingfish, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link

The Rev. Ted Haggard, who left the megachurch he founded after admitting to "sexual immorality," has asked supporters for financial assistance while he and his wife pursue their studies.

Studies? We might need to ask if this is of the "Pete Townshend School Of 'Study'" before we sign checks.

Cunga, Sunday, 26 August 2007 08:15 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

New Life Church, founder Haggard end relationship

gr8080, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link


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