i honestly thought it was kind of...melody-averse. i spent a lot of time waiting for things to happen. not as much as on tragedy though.
a couple of the songs near the end are better.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty adverse to 'ethereal vocals' in general, but I quite like this. Sound great over my morning coffee, making breakfast - I always need records like that :)
― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
"four gardens" is my favorite on this i think
― althea and (donna rouge), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
i keep singing the "many many moons" bit to myself
― althea and (donna rouge), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
i honestly thought it was kind of...melody-averse. i spent a lot of time waiting for things to happen
It's not melody averse at all, but the songs are sort of structured like classical pieces where the really obvious melodies aren't necessarily there and upfront and centre, it takes time to reach them. I'm thinking of songs like 'Fur Felix', where it plays around over the top of that cello figure for ages and then consolidates into this really lovely repeated refrain, and then it starts undercutting it and breaking it up.
I can understand not really liking the aesthetic, but she knows exactly what she's doing. It's really light in terms of production and arrangement but there's a lot going on, it's not slight at all. Way better than the other 4AD artists mentioned on this thread.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Even the ambient bits feel a lot more purposeful than most ambient does, like the chords are drifting towards something.
Hah, the last song is my least favourite, I think she falls down when she picks up the pace and volume a bit.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
I saw she tweeted yesterday that she was listening to Laurie Anderson for the first time, since the name comes up so often in reviews.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
this cokemachineglow review is amazing/terrible!
http://www.cokemachineglow.com/record_review/6864/juliaholter-ekstasis-2012
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
discussion on its terribleness here: pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
found ekstasis dull (gave it only a couple cursory listens), like a really flacid broadcast-like music. wanted to like it cuz she's mad cute and champions michael pisaro's music. maybe it grows?
― Lowell N. Behold'n, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
totally grows...love it to death now (took about 4 full spins)
― henry s, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, I think I'll go on the "amazing" side! Actually I thought it was a good piece and certainly made me want to listen to the album - which is kind of the point.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
really liking what i've heard so far. think the "experimental" angle is getting way overbilled. outside of a few sonics, its really more just quirky pop.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
jfc, marcello, this is a line from that review:
Holter’s vacuous constructions are left bare to naturally solidify in the tentative advance of dawn, and with the light comes a clouds-parting revelation of latent songwriting talent and preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture.
Which is to say it’s about as cerebral an approach to what amounts to a fairly streamlined avant-pop record as you could imagine, with Holter nimbly folding in left-field referents and heady conceits until lines have been blurred and the results regurgitated as pure manifestations of sonic poetry at the direct inception of indecipherability.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
haha contenderizer i known, it's hard to deliberately write as inscrutably as certain folks do almost naturally.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
er, i know.
lol @ "vaingloriously referential word salad", respect
― THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
Some friends of mine made this video for her at the wolf in DTLA:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H8x-6VHORLU#!
― De Laurentiiis (admrl), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
"To naturally solidify" is a split infinitive. Using "regurgitated" and "pure" in the same sentence is a contradiction in terms. A keen editor would have spotted both and sorted them out.
However, as I said, the review was sufficiently interesting for me to want to check out the record, unlike the red-nosed clowning of what Owen P called the "book burning THIS IS SHIT" attitude which clearly isn't confined to the UK.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Sunday, 1 April 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
"To naturally solidify" is a split infinitive
nothing wrong with a split infinitive if it makes the rhythm of the sentence sound better. both "to solidify naturally" and "naturally to solidify" sound much worse. the guiding principle should be euphony.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Sunday, 1 April 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
in the fuss over cokemachineglow dude's bad writing let us not forget his repulsive attitude that was the reason he was called out at all
― lex pretend, Sunday, 1 April 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
Nothing wrong with "to boldly go" either but "to naturally solidify," to use a journalistic expression, halts the flow of prose.
"repulsive attitude"?
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 2 April 2012 09:11 (twelve years ago) link
Marcello, FYI: pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)
― mike t-diva, Monday, 2 April 2012 09:28 (twelve years ago) link
The "blue collar readers" remark is asinine, especially if meant ironically, i.e. "let's make our posts easy for oiks to read." But I'm an oik, albeit one who benefited from the wonders of the Scottish education system (which is not to deny its dark side of religious segregation, but that's another argument for another thread), who had great, encouraging parents, teachers and tutors right through school and university. With my blog writing I certainly assume a level of shared knowledge - knowing who's reading or who's likely to read the blog - but I never, ever talk down to my readers as though neither brains nor Google existed.
However:
The superiority complex of wannabe highbrows who can't even craft readable prose is reliably repulsive.
This reads like highbrow contempt for those whom Sir Alastair Burnet used to call "plain people" (Translation: "stay in your corner and know your place, oiks"). And bad alliteration.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 2 April 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link
beautiful album
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
i tried this again, still can't get into it. feels really passionless to me, no blood and guts or emotional pull - kind of fussy and prissy :(
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 13 April 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
It's a grower. But I am not sure if this record works so easily for everybody.
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Friday, 13 April 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
What's she currently like live? Playing at a more classically-oriented concert space w/Mike Koldin tonight, mildly curious.
― etc, Sunday, 27 May 2012 10:02 (eleven years ago) link
just saw her this past tuesday at the media club in vancouver. pretty much stands behind her keyboard and plays. voice was really strong and i enjoyed her jerky dance moves. she appears shy & does not address the audience a whole lot. glad i saw her though.
― drone/a/sore, Monday, 28 May 2012 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
I thought this album was really sleepy and pitch-shifted, and it turns out I've just been playing the records at the wrong speed.
― Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Saturday, 2 June 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
It sounded good, though!
she played worthless UK festival Field Day yesterday and was told to leave the premises immediately afterwards to free up space in the car park: https://twitter.com/JULIA_HOLTER/status/208975662994825216
― cissémanwhore (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 3 June 2012 07:49 (eleven years ago) link
wow that's terrible
― You can do it Sun Myung Moon (NickB), Sunday, 3 June 2012 08:12 (eleven years ago) link
That's preeeeeetty shitty. I was at Field Day, she was grrrreat opening the day (yeah, not doing much unexpected, but her singing especially really struck me), and it was all a bit downhill from there. Not drastically so, and it was actually a bit better organised than I expected (having heard so many horror stories), but I don't imagine I'll be back.
― Merdeyeux, Sunday, 3 June 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Completely understand their request. Would have made it prior to her set, though.
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Sunday, 3 June 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
Actually, been listening a bit more and she isn't as bad as all that. Quite like some of this stuff in fact, doh.
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Monday, 4 June 2012 06:33 (eleven years ago) link
the album is really growing on me, thought it was a bit aimless and too drifty at first. i really love "boy in the moon".
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Friday, 15 June 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
Had high hopes for this record since Cole MGN was involved
― calstars, Friday, 15 June 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://michaelpisaro.blogspot.com/2012/08/announcing-gw-008-and-gw-009.html
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 31 August 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
'ekstasis' sounds even better in the winter
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 15 November 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
briefly lambent rays piercing the boiling clouds of vaingloriously referential word salad
― in an English way (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 15 November 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
I've been coming back to Ekstasis and liking it even more. Definitely one of the albums of 2012 for me.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 15 November 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
This is a wonderful record.
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 December 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's awesome. I went home over Christmas and played it to my parents cos I thought they'd be into it and my mum said it sounded like Enya :(
― paolo, Tuesday, 1 January 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
enya is awesome!
someone posted a song from this on tumblr and i really liked the track in isolation, but i couldn't really get into the album
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
My teenaged son asked for Ekstasis for Christmas. I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but I like the bits I've heard. I can understand the Enya comparison, haven't heard anything that reminds me of Broadcast yet.
― Rocking Disco Santa (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
this plane is taking... off.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
ekstasis probably by most-listened-to album of 2012, unless you count that le1f mix which i dunno is that an "album"?
It's Enya on drugs
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
the song structures are more interesting than enya's
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 January 2013 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
xpost- hi jay vee! i'm just an offended flute fan having a goof. pay me no mind.
m bison-i think it's an important part of the discourse to try + figure out where stuff came from. sighting medulla as a possible source is more than valid with that song. (i get that medulla wasn't the first or best or anything, but in a pop music context, the rules changed a bit after that album)
on that note, i will take this opportunity to bring up skin diver by nona hendryx. i only heard it for the first time in the past few years, but it immediately sounded like a distant relative of julia holter's music. the new album has solidified that for me.
+on that note, it blew my mind to find steve tibbetts on one of her artist-curated playlists last album cycle. idk why that's so entertaining to me. i found tibbetts years before holter, but the connection makes immediate sense.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 25 March 2024 01:37 (three weeks ago) link
If anyone here wants two tickets to her London show on the 9th let me know (and give me some way to contact you). I’ve got to be in Scotland for a funeral. Not looking for any money, just want the tickets to be enjoyed, gutted I can’t make it.
― crisp, Thursday, 28 March 2024 17:14 (three weeks ago) link
"Meyou" reminds me a bit of Meredith Monk's stuff, which of course inspired Medúlla, so cosign I guess
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 28 March 2024 20:53 (three weeks ago) link
can recommend catching her on tour for this, live set up for the new songs was pretty incredible; Dev Hoff killing it on fretless bass especially. did a beautiful rendition of Meyou with Jenny Hval and her band too, though I think that was a London treat.
― devvvine, Thursday, 11 April 2024 14:58 (one week ago) link
Gorgeous new album. The title track is a melange (no Dune) of just about everything I could want in new music. That is all.
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 14 April 2024 01:48 (six days ago) link