Jazz GUITAR poll

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Ted Dunbar's Bebop List

Ha, I think he still used virtually the same list when I was there. I kind of found it tedious, tbh. Also Freedom Jazz Dance is a real bitch to finger on guitar and I never quite found a good way.

Then maybe you should go up to Jazzmobile and study with Rick Stone!

I actually never quite understood his recommended practice routines. I mean "practicing" all of those tunes every day alone would take a few hours if you really did it. Then he'd have like three other books for you to practice out of, and you were supposed to do each thing in every key in every position on the fretboard, and it seemed like it would take 8 hours of FOCUSED practice to get through all that plus whatever was assigned for combos and improv classes and such. And I just did not have that kind of focus.

I know what you mean. Obviously you've gotta practice a lot and practice stuff on a regular basis, but to give people a giant list of stuff and say you've gotta practice this giant list every single day seems like it would be demoralizing to everybody but the most fanatical student. Which some might say is the point but still. Actually I saw the other guy for a few seconds this evening but didn't really talk to him. Next time I will ask whether he practiced all of that every single day.

Yes I would really like to know that. I think that was actually a big contributing factor in never getting further along in music was that demoralization.

Too bad this book wasn't around for you back then: http://www.shermusic.com/new/1883217482.shtml

Was wondering about this again today.

If you hang around with some Jazz guitarists you might find that a reasonable number of them actively dislike rock guitar, both the notes that are played and the effects they are played through. You might even here somebody say "These kids ruined music!" Which is fine if the disliker is over 60 but is really kind of weird when they are under 50. (Which ultimately might cause somebody else who does listen to rock to say that they hate Jazz guitar in return.) Some might actually cover it up by picking a few players to appreciate-"Oh yeah, I like Jimi Hendrix!" - but that's about as far as it goes. I'm sure somebody will say I made this up, but I assure you this strawman exists.

yeah in general people who ONLY like music from before their time tend to be a little crypto-creepy ime.

Have you met any of these rare creatures?

Some might actually cover it up by picking a few players to appreciate-"Oh yeah, I like Jimi Hendrix!" - but that's about as far as it goes. I'm sure somebody will say I made this up, but I assure you this strawman exists.

This is absolutely 100% true. I've been in on many of these conversations, and this attitude spans generations (though isn't as prevalent with younger players).

Charles Shaar Murray, in his brilliant Hendrix book Crosstown Traffic, had a great line about how if some homicidal time-traveler were to strangle at birth every jazz guitarist between Charlie Christian and Jimi Hendrix, the overall arc and development of the music as a whole wouldn't be any different.

In other news, apparently when Congress reauthorized the FAA a month ago, they made it clear that musical instruments were permitted as carry-on baggage so long as they fit in the compartment- you can see this on the TSA website, guitars and violins specifically mentioned- but I don't think the airline personnel have been informed, you still have to argue with them about this

Hm. I guess the law was signed on Valentine's Day, but there is a two year rollout period

Back to the other topic. You don't see this kind of thing too much with, say, bassists and drummers, they like themselves some funk too much, for one thing. Saxophonists though...

if some homicidal time-traveler were to strangle at birth every jazz guitarist between Charlie Christian and Jimi Hendrix, the overall arc and development of the music as a whole wouldn't be any different.

My man Wes deserves a little more respect than that.

Yeah, feel like that was a little overboard. It's the other side of the debate that ultimately ends up being one of these deals http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/Colors_of_contention.jpg

One time I heard Von Freeman's brother George on a Charlie Parker record and man if he didn't sound like Hendrix avant la lettre

My man Wes deserves a little more respect than that.

Ha, I actually just happened to re-read that passage, and it's actually between Christian and Wes, not Christian and Hendrix.

You know what's a great record that I am listening to now? Billy Bauer - Plectrist.

Happy Birthday to Gene Bertoncini, who is 75 today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nx0IL_QawJc#!

Friend of mine found this on youtube. Richard Davis looks (and plays like he is) high out of his mind. Still pretty cool though.

awesome, thanks!

Breaking character, frame, fourth wall of ILX to tell you that my current screen name is a takeoff on yours.

Now I must change it.

Makes me want to change mine to Baron FAPurday, but on second thought, no.

Hm. I had a screen name based on that once, where was it, let's see. OK, look here: Album Covers Featuring Tiny People Living In The Artist's Or Cover Model's Hair

hahaha

ha that was a great thread

Did you guys know that Lenny Breau's first jazz session (1961) was with Levon Helm and Rick Danko as rhythm section? Also, it fucking smokes. They're not an amazing jazz rhythm section but they get out of the way, which is the best thing they could do for his liszt-esque runs.

Crazy!

It's on spotify ("the hallmark sessions"). Couldn't find any youtube links.

Thanks, will be checking out shortly.

Just asked one of TD's well-known students if he played the list everyday. He laughed and said "Everyday? I'm still trying to get through it!"

Seriously, I think I went crazy trying to play Parisian Thoroughfare on the guitar. Of course I had only heard the lightning-fast Bud Powell version and it had never occurred to me to play it half time like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q-ePYiCJYM

that is a great quote btw ken

oh and I forgot to mention that the super-fast bud powell version is the one he gave us on the tape he gave us with all the tunes. Small fuck you for that one Ted, RIP all the same.

Just trying to do my job as Jazz Investigator, Josh.

Guy also said he can still hear Ted's voice

Question: which two beloved, much missed Jazz Guitarists/Teachers were born in Port Arthur, Texas? Hint: one played on many film soundtracks including those of The Wild Bunch and Ocean's Eleven, both of which he was an extra in.

wow, two? I have no idea who the other one is.

Jimmy Wyble

ha, well according to wikipedia, there's also Zachary Breaux. So that makes three.

Next question: What Jazz Guitarist had a successful career at his advertising day job before he retired to play music full-time and has just written a bestselling cookbook?

no idea!
but i was listening to this album last night.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61P1EXCNS7L._SL500_AA300_.gif
very nice, but a missed opportunity w/ the cover image -- should've had kessel standing at the stove flipping a pancake or something.

If I could imagine one jazz guitarist being successful in advertising and writing a cookbook, it'd be George Benson, but I'm guessing that's wrong.

He's not a famous guitarist.

I only learned of him because he his a family friend of a guy I know but he is well-known in certain circles.

Buckethead

Ding ding ding!

j/k