jackmaster is such an incredible dj - i think what sets him out is also his fondness for playing str8-up populist cheese and mixing that up with "hip" stuff from "hot scenes" like it ain't a thing
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
^ he's one of the best. I really want to hear a...
Jackmaster b2b Ben UFO b2b Oneman b2b Bok Bok b2b Brackles set.
I think something close happened on Sub FM way back but one wasn't there, Brackles maybe.
If Blunted Robots didn't kinda slow to a hault and 502 wasn't so young they'd be worth a shout here too, ace labels.
― jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
i had free passes to see Oneman and Jackmaster last week but i couldn't go :(
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
i contemplated it but went to move d instead
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think what sets him out is also his fondness for playing str8-up populist cheese and mixing that up with "hip" stuff from "hot scenes" like it ain't a thing
Good point this. There was that great mix he did a while back filled with 90s crossover house hits like You Don't Know Me & Synth And Strings, was a nice reminder of how good some of those tunes still sound.Really the only problem I have with his very anthem-orientated sets is that some of those tunes I've just heard too many times already, no matter how good they are. I was slightly disappointed with his Fabric CD for this reason, it's harder to justify shelling out for a mix when you've got and regularly rinse a lot of the tunes on it already. But it's a minor in the big scheme of things, I def rate him highly.
― Mr Andy M, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
no matter how many times i've heard splack pack, UR and thomas bangalter, i've never heard them over one another, so that fabric mix was gold for me
― the late great, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
i really didn't think the fabric mix showcased what's great about jackmaster, it felt like he was trying to cram way too much stuff in
plus it fucking ended with RADIOHEAD kmft kmft kmft unforgivable
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
you don't like the avant-r&b electro-soul stylings of thom yorke? maybe you could start with some hot chip or jamie lidell or the junior boys and work your way up.
― the late great, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
(clicks on thread, reads most recent comments, backs away slowly)
― Tim F, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Jackmaster is a fine DJ but the real Numbers sets you want to look out for are from Spencer, in my opinion.
Untold has great sonic textures but I'm not entirely convinced by his grooves - the sound design is there, I just wish it would be used better consistently. Something between Untold's queasy, mutilated sounds and Ramadanman/Joe's take on rhythm would be a high point for any of these labels.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
"spencer" is ridic hott
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
i mean jackmaster is pretty fine too but calum is just ridiculous
ben UFO interview up today on little white earbuds where he name-checks the quietus and "gender relations in post-dubstep"
INTELLIGENT BASS
srsly though i was not surprised that he gave dubstep as his inspiration for hessle, nor that he didn't mention ukg or grime but i was (pleasantly) surprised that he mentioned dj bailey from metal heads (the drum funk / amen revival dude) and inperspective records as getting him into dance music!
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
i dug that jackmaster mix
wouldn't touch the rest of this stuff with a ten foot pole, basically came in here to pull a l8 gr8 by pointing out that i think these labels are hella overrated :)
annd back to the nina kraviz thread
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
This makes a lot of sense to me. I think my love of the first 6 or so Hessle 12s was based on the fact that they were like a dubstep equivalent of that sound.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
i would touch nina kraviz w/ a ten foot pole if you know what i mean nyuk nyuk
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
ben ufo's aunt is mary warnock!
i was just talking on twitter about a potential jungle revival that we sense is imminent. this might be where i have to find some other dance scene to get into
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 07:45 (twelve years ago) link
Lex what have you heard about an actual potential jungle revival?
There have been abortive attempts every couple of years it seems.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:02 (twelve years ago) link
"actual potential" - as distinct from "fantasised potential".
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:03 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of overrated.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link
very little concrete, it's just one of those things you realise you've been seeing out of the corner of your eye for a while. more people talking about it, the t.williams fact mix devolved into jungle in its last quarter...and it's probably the right "time" for it too. i'll be glad if it turns out to be abortive! this led to people tweeting even more jungle tunes at me in a bid to win me over and they were all kinda bad.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 08:13 (twelve years ago) link
i've been thinking to myself recently "breaks are back, huh?" (a bit more generally than dnb in partic)
re dnb in partic, total freedom played this (from 2002, years in the wilderness) at the fade to mind party i went to and it got a huge reaction. obv that's connected to its whitney-ness, but it still felt like the exact right moment and this is like my favorite old track i've discovered this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZnXyXoSMwU
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 09:17 (twelve years ago) link
ben's a great dj and that was a good interview
don't really like jackmaster's style too much
― post, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 10:04 (twelve years ago) link
haven't heard anything about a jungle revival but have def heard quite a bit of double 99/r.i.p productions out
― post, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 10:06 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^ yeah I'd expect a speed garage revival before anything else.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
I would love a speed garage revival. Stuff like that Mosca single points to this happening surely?
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 10:50 (twelve years ago) link
the low-profile drum'n'bass has been keeping these last few years could well mean there's a gap in the market for a jungle revival. That Mosca Bax EP is full on garage.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
xpost yes, and people acting like "Bax" is the second coming. Which I'm not narky about, but it's indicative, I think.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:00 (twelve years ago) link
very little concrete, it's just one of those things you realise you've been seeing out of the corner of your eye for a while. more people talking about it, the t.williams fact mix devolved into jungle in its last quarter...
My suspicion is that 90s jungle has become the UK equivalent of detroit techno - many people will pay lip service to it but it's more one of those "we trace our lineage from this" influences that will perennially seem relevant around the edges, rather than something that will be subject to full-blown revival (and certainly not populist revival).
― Tim F, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:08 (twelve years ago) link
I straight up love Danny Native aka Altered Natives unconditionally. He doesn't really fit into the labels that are the subject of this thread but he seems to roll with some of the same crowd and his stuff seems to fit into a harcore tradition (dare I say.... "continuum"?) that isn't jungle but has some of the same punishing aspect, obsession with samples and cut up drum loops. And it's just ridiculously satisfying to listen to very very loud.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:15 (twelve years ago) link
But to answer the question, Funkystepz are on Hyperdub so....
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 11:48 (twelve years ago) link
many people will pay lip service to it but it's more one of those "we trace our lineage from this" influences that will perennially seem relevant around the edges, rather than something that will be subject to full-blown revival (and certainly not populist revival).
i agree with this, i think we were talking about it in the dance partisans thread recently
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
the musical vocabulary of drum and bass is pretty exhausted ... i think it would be hard to do something "new" that still scans as drum and bass.
the last big innovation in drum and bass was what, leaving out every other drum hit while keeping pretty much everything else the same? what's next?
― the late great, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
More evidence of a speed garage revival:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGOiohEVcU
― Tim F, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
do plan to continue this thread w/ a release-by-release breakdown and comparison of hessle and hemlock tracks
what i am finding is that hemlock seems more influenced by older d&b and techno while hessle seems more hip to contemporary trends
― the late great, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
^Have always felt Hessle stuff took some influence from German minimal type stuff, Perlon and that kind of thing. I'm far from an expert on that kind of music though so it may be a screwy comparison.
― Mr Andy M, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
I think my love of the first 6 or so Hessle 12s was based on the fact that they were like a dubstep equivalent of that sound.
Tim do you mean here that you've not liked the subsequent Hessle releases or just that you've liked them based on different reasons?Just asking 'cause to me one of Hessle's strengths is that they've never really gone through a phase where I've felt like they've fallen off. Like the latest 12 from Objekt, don't think it's ever going to be one of my personal favorites on the label but it's still solid enough.
― Mr Andy M, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
I meant more that for that period I was kinda excited about what felt at the time like a new development, and pretty much precisely the direction I'd been wanting dubstep to go in - this was before post-dubstep both coalesced into something distinct from its ancestry and turned into the multi-fangled many-tentacled thing it is today.
― Tim F, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
My favourite Hessle release probably would be (surprise surprise) "Wad" (give or take "Blimey") but that's on a different tip obv.
― Tim F, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
objekt's "cactus" is def a new personal favorite for me
― the late great, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
"Wad" is so good
― Number None, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
"Wad" is dope, but my fave = "Fuk Tha 101"
― The Reverend, Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
I think this mix was the highpoint of my love of the early Hessle (and etc.) sound:
http://www.dubstepforum.com/studio-mix-d-r-e-a-m-vol-1-dowee-t42706.html
― Tim F, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
hek001, untold's "yukon / walk through walls" is a great photek / source direct imitation
― the late great, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
except with
get this
A TWISTED R&B VOCAL SAMPLE
― the late great, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
b-side is more hidden agenda i guess
― the late great, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
with some thievery corporation overtones
― the late great, Saturday, 17 March 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
If we're talking fave releases then my top 5 for Hessle would be something like -TRG - Broken Heart (Martyn remix)Pearson Sound - WadPeverelist - Dance Til The Police ComeJoe - ClaptrapJoe - Rut
― Mr Andy M, Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:37 (twelve years ago) link
OK I get you, yeah it did seem like a really fresh direction when those tunes were first coming through.
― Mr Andy M, Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link
So, the Laurel Halo album is to come out on Hyperdub eh?
― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link