Come Anticipate "Brokeback Mountain" With Me

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"high-altitude fucks" rang badly, otherwise i thought the writing was very well pitched, getting a lot from very little.

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

skullfuck

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"high altitude fucks" was the one doleful reminder that the first third of the movie was supposed to indulge us with lots of Jake-and-Heath ass shots which, alas, didn't happen.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the last shot (& music cue) was wonderful.

totally

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I wasn't sure about it until the last scenes with Alma Jr. and Jack's parents, but damn that was pretty amazing.

There were problems - neither wife had enough screentime to be either really good or really bad (though MW's eyes/reaction shots when she first sees Jack and Ennis were fantastic), and that same guitar line that played whenever they were together got annoying fast, but the strings that blended into white noise at other times were a nice touch.

In a way, I guess all the stuff upthread about it catering to hetero audiences and not being all that radical in its depiction of homosexuality, etc. is right, but I think that's because the gayness (as promoted) was a red herring. I saw a movie about longing and repression and being stuck in the same damn place your entire life, unable to save yourself or make a better life.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone remind me of the last shot? Put a spoiler on it if you have to. I tend to forget these things sometimes.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

(According to my recollection):

The last shot: after Ennis buttons up Jack's shirt he looks at a postcard of Brokeback Mountain, mumbling "Jack, I swear..." then the camera pans away to the open window.

It is devastating. He's still keeping the love of his life in the closet.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

From Towleroad:


Last night's Tonight Show appearance by Heath Ledger was fairly remarkable, because Ledger and Leno managed to talk for a solid 15 minutes, much of it about Ang Lee and Brokeback, and never mention the word gay or anything approximating it.

Ledger: "I just looked at it as an incredible opportunity to play this, you know...complex, lonely figure..."

The omission seemed fairly obvious to me...


http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2006/01/talk_about_brok.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Anne Hathaway is my newest pointless Hollywood crush.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

don't know if the window's open or not but out of it is a pale yellow field and a strip of pale blue sky and, maybe, a bit of a pale dusty road

crosspost

nick and I were sure we recognised her from something else but imdb says she hasn't been in anything I'd have seen

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Not fans of the Princess Diaries, I take it.

See Havoc, in which she plays a brazen teenage strumpet.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

embarrassingly I don't quite understand the final line. I swear what? It could mean a lot of things. If that's the point then I guess I do understand it. But I thought maybe I missed something it was referring to, specifically.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link


Last night's Tonight Show appearance by Heath Ledger was fairly remarkable, because Ledger and Leno managed to talk for a solid 15 minutes, much of it about Ang Lee and Brokeback, and never mention the word gay or anything approximating it.

the movie goes for a solid two hours without mentioning the word gay!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It's just "Jack, I swear..." It's straight from the story. The ambiguity makes more sense in the story.

S1ocki:

"You know I ain't no queer."
"Me neither."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

--- SPOILER --- SPOILER --- SPOILER ---


When Jack's mother helps Ennis put Jack's shirt in the bag, does she put Jack's slip Jack's ashes in there too? I know there was a moment between Ennis and Jack's mom, but I didn't quite see / don't remember what exactly happened.

If so, perhaps Ennis in the last scene is swearing he will scatter Jack's ashes on Brokeback... even though it may be a while, what with his daughter wedding and his history of letting jack down, etc.? I dunno.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

the movie goes for a solid two hours without mentioning the word gay!

But Jay and Heath didn't even mention "stemmin the rose"! (and presumably they're not closeted 1960s sheep herders)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw the interview. How uncomfortable: Jay Leno's relentless mugging and obsequiousness vs Ledger's nervousness.

Compare his interview to Gyllenhaal's last week, in which the gay stuff was NOT ignored and Gyllenhaal was as open and coltish as Jack Twist. Maybe cuz he's more at ease in the spotlight.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When Jack's mother helps Ennis put Jack's shirt in the bag, does she put Jack's slip Jack's ashes in there too? I know there was a moment between Ennis and Jack's mom, but I didn't quite see / don't remember what exactly happened.

If so, perhaps Ennis in the last scene is swearing he will scatter Jack's ashes on Brokeback... even though it may be a while, what with his daughter wedding and his history of letting jack down, etc.? I dunno.

Nope. It's ambiguous. Again, the story (and I paraphrase): Ennis mumbles, "Jack, I swear" even though Ennis is not the swearing kind and Jack had never asked him to swear anything.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

all i gotta say is JAKE GLYENHAAL IS FUCKING OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD *HOT*

killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

We all agree with you there.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

no

adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

every woman I know would like to disagree with you

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i love that line, the last line. it doesn't have to refer spefically to any particular oath that ennis is swearing... it's just this awful expression of... inexpressiveness...

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

every woman I know would like to disagree with you

you're being sarcastic, right? those huge, close-up shots of his face on the big screen... holy god damn i'll break his somethin'

killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake Gyllenhaal - C or D?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"Gun's goin' off!"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought "I swear" was said with bemusement thinking about Twist and what could have been, but maybe that's just me reading into it as a (kind-of) southerner.

I saw a minute or two of the Ledger interview - I think he was still in-character from the junkie movie he's doing. What little I saw consisted of him refusing to make eye contact with Leno.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I would never make eye contact with Jay Leno. He is a sad, broken man.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake Gyllenhaal - C or D?

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), January 18th, 2006. (tracklink)


duh... thanks a lot, though, that's the hottest thread ever

killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

It's now the #1 movie in the country:

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 January 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

this was great.

"hetero-pandering" is such a cynical phrase.

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 22 January 2006 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I was about to revive this.

Was dragged to see this for a second time with a straight friend swayed by the publicity. A lot of my objections now seem trivial. I'm more impressed now by Heath Ledger's great physical performance; so few actors these days know how to move in character. By the time Jack Twist delivers his excoriating final monologue Ennis has for all intents and purposes shriveled, a smoking and drinking waste of a man. All those scenes of Ennis hunched over at a bar are quietly and insistently convincing.

The Thanksgiving scenes - in which Jack and Ennis try to convince the audience that they're Real Men besides being fags - are the only hetero-pandering moments.

And the score is wonderful.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 January 2006 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Some remarks from an article by The Wall Street Journal's Joe Morgenstern yesterday. Nothing profound, and sometimes silly (Sydney Pollack's remarks on Ang Lee sound like he's describing Charlie Chan), but nice evocations of some of the better scenes.

The Director's Fingerprints by Joe Morgenstern

since you have to be a subscriber to read the article on internet, I copy and paste the key points:

Pinning down who did exactly what can be hard even for someone who's been an intimate part of the process. "Ang Lee has a way of letting the film unfold itself," says Sydney Pollack, a top-flight director in his own right who was the executive producer of "Sense and Sensibility." "He's like a Zen presence on the set. He has a way of tapping the energy that already exists in writers and actors and other people working for him, of perfectly mixing it so that he doesn't ever appear to have his hands all over it. Yet every movie he's ever done bears his stamp quite clearly."

All of which goes back to the original question: How do we as spectators see that stamp? Where do we find the direction? Clues vary from film to film, but, as a case in point, I've picked a few from Ang Lee's most recent film, "Brokeback Mountain." They're nothing more than clues, since I'm a spectator too -- I wasn't on the set to watch him work -- but they may give some sense of the director's sensibility.

The opening shot bespeaks both immensity and simplicity -- a far-off trailer truck, announced by two notes on a guitar, traversing a vast mountain landscape at night.

The early sequences -- the two cowboys, Jack and Ennis, moving sheep through the mountains -- are photographed lyrically, but again the shots are strikingly simple. When the men speak haltingly of themselves, their scenes are paced somewhere between leisurely and slow. At first I found the pace trying, then came to recognize it as a sign of the director's trust in his audience's willingness to stay with the story as it unfolds.

Heath Ledger's Ennis -- hooded, laconic, recessive -- is a radical departure from the actor's previous work. Does that mean the decisive influence was directorial? Not necessarily, but at a minimum the director was hospitable to his co-star's performance.

The first leaps in time -- suddenly Ennis is married, and then, just as suddenly, the father of two children -- are so abrupt as to make you wonder if the projectionist switched the reels. But they're evidence of the director's daring; time will not be wasted on tidy transitions.

The film looks spare throughout -- plain buildings and plain rooms to go with the plainspoken protagonists. That's the province of the production designer, to be sure, but the consistency of style, both physical and visual, suggests a strong directorial influence as well.

There's enormous power in the long, almost silent passage when, and after, Ennis's wife discovers her husband in a passionate embrace with Jack. Michelle Williams created the performance, but Ang Lee -- and his editor -- constructed the sequence in a clear-eyed way that shows the actress's work to stunning advantage.

A phone call, near the end, brings Ennis important news about Jack from Jack's wife, Lureen. (I'm avoiding specifics for those who haven't yet seen the film.) Another director might have played most of the scene on Ennis's face, since the news affects him most directly. Ang Lee chose to give much greater prominence to Lureen, who, thanks to Anne Hathaway's acting, tells an enthralling tale beneath the camera's steady gaze.

These discrete, somewhat abstract observations can't begin to convey the totality of the film. Taken together, though, they reflect some of the qualities that inform the film -- physical beauty, clarity, confident pace, firm though delicate control. If there's a single word for what connects these various qualities, it's direction.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 January 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody told me about the Gene Shalit controversy.

(He's since apologized, but here's an excerpt of his original review:

The sheep do nothing special as they bleet around the bush, but Jack and Ennis do do something special. They have sex. Jack, who strikes me as a sexual predator, tracks Ennis down and coaxes him into sporadic trysts. But sporadic isn’t frequent enough for Jack. He wants Ennis full time! He whines, he pleads, he shouts that when they’re apart, he’s desolated. Jack can’t absorb Ennis’ implied response: better desolate than never! Heath Ledger’s performance under Ang Lee’s direction is outstanding, and Brokeback does have a few dramatic peaks. But this may be because its unconventional theme is outside the buns, it is being wildly overpraised. Not by me!)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"outside the buns"!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the cast is on Oprah tomorrow.

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/marlboro_towleroad_1.jpg

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

THAT IS CLASSIC

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

It would be remiss of me if I didn't mention the unspeakable gorgeousness of Gilly in those "Oprah" clips.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

lol

phantasy bear (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/graystokemoutain.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

not as good

phantasy bear (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Back off, muscle boy! Or I'll open your drawbridge!"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

My fave moment of the Okrafest (besides OH JAKE, YOU DO THAT COLTISH GIGGLE SO NICELY) was when Anne Hathaway and the audience showed thenselves to be smarter than Okra re the phone scene.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

And Gilly knows the difference between charm and smarm. He gives showbiz kids a good name.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 29 January 2006 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole schmooze-a-rama of "Let's confirm H & J's heterosexuality nonstop" made me more than a wee bit nauseated tho. "I understand your favorite scene was mounting Anne!" "Yes, Okra! Some cowboys enjoy oysters!"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

there's definite chemistry between the boys though. It ain't a one-shot thing they got goin' on.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 January 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps one of the days they "didn't get along" was when Michelle moved into Heath's trailer.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Michelle Williams is either a much better actress than we've reckoned or a woman without guile. She not only escaped unscathed from Okra's net of personal questions and syrupy praise, but her genuinely humbled/crumpled expression after Ledger's sop to the audience ("She's the perfect mom!") moved me almost as much as her Alma was supposed to.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 January 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Ever see Me without You? She's amazingly good in it.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Stanley Kauffman's review in The New Republic:

Ang Lee continues to astonish. In 1995, when his best-known film was Eat Drink Man Woman, set in his native Taiwan, the producers of Sense and Sensibility tapped him to direct their picture: an act of perception, of courage, for which all of us owe them thanks. Lee proceeded--incredibly--to make the best of the Jane Austen films. He then went on to make five more pictures, among which were two ultra-American ones, The Ice Storm, about Connecticut suburbanites, and Ride With the Devil, about the Civil War.

Both of those films, whatever their other qualities, were made with societal comprehension. The fact that Lee was educated in theater and film at American universities must of course have much to do with his American ease. Now he shows it again in Brokeback Mountain, which deals with the American West in the twentieth century, and now we owe even more thanks to the producers who launched him on his unique career. (One of those producers worked on this new picture.)

The screenplay by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, based on a story by Annie Proulx, is about two cowboys who are lovers. In 1963 in Wyoming, two ranch hands named Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist are hired to spend the winter tending a thousand sheep up on Brokeback Mountain. (Shepherds though they are, through much of the film they call each other "cowboy," and we do see them later with cattle.) Ennis and Jack had not known each other previously, and they don't spend a lot of time together now. Ennis sleeps somewhere off near the sheep, and Jack bunks in a pup tent. One inclement night, however, they share the tent. There has not been the slightest hint of physical attraction between them, nor is there now as they bed down together. During the night, however, they find themselves--the phrase is apt--having sex.

In the morning they are their customary laconic selves as they go about their jobs, but they are both marked for life--by love. They have sex together again up in the mountains. Later on, through the years, they continue to meet as often as they can, even though in time both of them marry. The film traces their torment when separated, their happiness at reunions, and their near-pride in their private selves. Their marriages are not blissful--Ennis's wife indeed has seen the two men kissing--but they seem to accept marital trouble as part of the world's harassment of their truth.

The delicacy and pain and almost unbearable joy of the pair, though given to us through the actors, began with Lee, I believe--his vision of Ennis and Jack. He apparently sees their relationship as double. One part is the basic human lot, their immersion in a general current of emotional need that seems to flood around all men and women, that looks for reification, for person and place, in one or another sort of gender relationship. The second part is more specific: the morning after their first experience, Ennis and Jack virtually decide that they must be in love. They specify to each other that they are not "queer," but the condition that allows them to be themselves without shame is to believe that they are in love. This is a matter far from fakery. They are as truly in love as two people can be, but they are grateful for it because this spiritual union licenses them to continue their occasional beddings, and helps to justify each man to himself.

Their story does not finish as they might have wished: it couldn't, given the world in which they live. But their relationship from beginning to end has a finespun texture that is, I'd guess, the result of Lee's vision. His treatment of their love is so affirmed yet gentle that it seems, more than the story, the purpose for which he made the film.

The landscape in which most of it takes place is majestic, thrilling. It was actually shot in the Canadian Rockies, and the cinematographer, Rodrigo Prieto, presents the scenic marvels to us like resplendent gifts. The interweaving of the grand landscape with the intimate story has a peculiar synesthetic effect: it almost transmutes into music, Beethoven perhaps, in which great chords shape the cosmos through which a poignant lyrical theme winds.

Brokeback Mountain does not contain the slightest suggestion that its purpose is to chronicle a case or a social problem. (It has provoked a blizzard of articles on the subject of cowboy homosexuality, most of them paying little attention to the film's art.) It simply treasures two human beings who, unlikely as we may have thought it for these men, find themselves fixed in a discomfiting yet thorough passion. They inhabit a world that vaunts macho masculinity; nonetheless they seem secretly fortified by their fate.

The two leading actors are superb. Merely to remember their performances is to be moved again. Ennis is played by Heath Ledger, an Australian who has mastered western accent and bearing. He gives Ennis a solidity through which his new experience shivers like a crack through a rock. (An extrinsic fact to whet appetite: Ledger has just appeared in a film as Casanova.) It seems possible that, even allowing for the messiness of almost any acting career, Ledger may be on his way to the heights. Jack is Jake Gyllenhaal, who, in an odd way, has been slipping quietly into prominence. His performances in Proof and Jarhead hardly went unnoticed, but his Jack makes us realize that we have been watching the emergence of something more than a usable young leading man. As Jack, he creates a dogged sensitivity, a man who has not lived by emotional finesse but now finds himself capable of it and will not relinquish it.

Lee's part in these performances? In the diary that Emma Thompson kept while making Sense and Sensibility, she wrote: "I am constantly astounded by Ang--his taste is consummate. It sometimes takes a while to work out exactly what he wants but it's always something subtler." It seems highly likely that Ledger and Gyllenhaal could say the same.

So in all the tumult about this film, the eruption of its subject into wide attention and the consequent revelations about cowboys' lives in the past, let us--without forgetting the American sources of the screenplay--acknowledge the anomaly that the director is Chinese. Where his mind and imagination will take Lee next I do not yet know, but I certainly want to follow.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link


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