salon vs. slate vs. atlantic

fuck the atlantic

the cities section is pretty good, they found a good niche

I was really into Salon ca. 1998-2002. The Garrison Keillor/Sarah Vowell years. Then they did that subscription experiment and I jumped ship. Kind of forgot about it altogether until ILX political threads started linking to Pareene and Greenwald articles.

okay, i didn't even know about the atlantic cities

xp Like, the first "message board" I ever posted to was Salon's Table Talk. I mostly lurked on the film threads.

yeah, in my mind salon is a late 90s thing, stopped looking at it years ago when the pay thing became too much of a pain to wade thru.

"mothers who think"

http://www.slate.fr/

fuck the atlantic

― horseshoe, Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:17 AM (10 minutes ago)

except when once in a while they run a neat piece, like once every two years

recently deleted bookmark on slate, really just a bunch of mediocre writing & groupthink/received ideas/convential wisdom imo

never cottoned to salon, it always seemed a bit too "alt-weekly" for my taste but the ilxor who writes on politics there is v good when i see links to his stuff

the atlantic i almost never read so idk

salon the worst. paglia and greenwald, enough said. i still read it daily. slate the best, tho i miss shafer. and slate has the worst tv critic in the world.

Don't really read Atlantic apart from Sully; slate is still too corporate and some of the stuff on there is really of the magnets how the fuck do they work variety. Salon has some truly awful writers workin for them but the top politics dudes all raise it up imo

all the arts criticism in slate is lame

voted for the new yorker

Sully no longer at Atlantic

sorry yr right about that.

atlantic def has the juice right now as far as being most internet, anyway they each have one guy who i read regularly, tho prob the atlantic has the most guys i read semi regularly, slate is good for bullshit factoid pieces, salon is kinda unbearable as far as their whole tone/culture, atlantic is more thinking smart thoughts abt the world by inhuman people who have been to lots of college and twitter but not the actual world, idk theyre all p good, voted atlantic just because they r best at leveraging social media

the only one of these i ever read with any regularity was slate, but that was a while ago. remember dahlia lithwick fondly.

I just wait for longform.org to cherry-pick shit from all of the above

I really don't glance at Slate much these days unless someone links to an article. The quality of the writing has deteriorated now that it's got real competition.

I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries and I wonder if tablet-culture is gonna make that harder. it'd prob be harder to put up a paywall today than it was in their failed-experiment days, there really are a lot of other places to go for 'this kinda stuff'. or maybe it's the opposite cause people are willing to pay for apps.

eh i feel like they hit a sweet spot of quality/accessibility that looks easier than it is

paglia and greenwald, enough said.

Ha, is Paglia seriously still writing for Salon??

I like the Atlantic blogs but man the features are risible at best (tho the blogs are getting steadily worse).

if i judged solely based on how often i actually click through my RSS feed to read the actual article i'd have to say the Atlantic wins and Slate comes in last.

Even though I can't remember reading a single Slate piece in maybe a year, they get the vote for the Hang Up and Listen / Political Gabfest podcasts.

don't know what to vote for, none of them really have my loyalty or affection. maybe the atlantic? slate is prob the worst to me

salon the worst. paglia and greenwald, enough said. i still read it daily

this made me lol

What the fuck is the deal with all the JFK conspiracy articles on Salon?

I only ever read the Atlantic in print, because my parents subscribed to it forever and have now bought me a gift subscription (likewise with Harper's). I did enjoy the recent issue on research into whether parasites from cats can alter our behavior. Had ~just~ enough tabloidness about it.

Also this great pic of the principal researcher:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/coma/images/issues/201203/mcauliffe-wide.jpg

agl

Every time I visit Slate they have some challopsy article featured, like "Why Beer is Better Warm than Cold"

I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries and I wonder if tablet-culture is gonna make that harder. it'd prob be harder to put up a paywall today than it was in their failed-experiment days, there really are a lot of other places to go for 'this kinda stuff'. or maybe it's the opposite cause people are willing to pay for apps.

― iatee, Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:51 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

atlantic has that "ideas conf." though it makes a legit profit on its own im pretty sure, likely thru smart web strategy
slate is owned by wapo/kaplan and i dont think would make a profit otherwise
salon im pretty sure has until very recently been on the brink of complete failure though i guess theyve turned around in the last 6mo/1yr

anyway i dont really have a strong feeling. atlantic is probably the best designed. salon has more of my favorite writers.

rly wonder abt the money side of all of these, esp salon

i'm amazed at the comment box action salon gets.

salon -- the only one of these i check every day, obv for greenwald but their political coverage is generally pretty good. i almost never read online comments but the threads on their advice columnist's posts (which usually contain no actual advice and are kind of like garrison keillor on acid or something) are invariably entertaining. andrew o'hehir is way less hateable than the zacharek/taylor terrible twosome.

slate -- kind of totally hate it, literally cannot remember ever reading a single memorable article there, except for those 'random fact' pieces like 'so whatever happened to that hole in the ozone layer'?

atlantic -- i actually had a subscription for a year, which is more than long enough to notice that all their cover stories sound exactly the same. good articles here and there, of course.

I am amazed each of these sites makes enough money to pay lots of salaries

i always wonder how much they pay their writers

does that really annoying mommy blog lady still write for salon? ayelet waldman? i used to read salon in the early 00s just to be annoyed by her.

if slate can't break even what good is it to wapo?

i dont read any of these and thought the atlantic was a 'magazine'

well wapo cant break even either

yeah i guess slate is prob a better long term bet than a newspaper

Every time I visit Slate they have some challopsy article featured, like "Why Beer is Better Warm than Cold"

― President Keyes, Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:23 PM (3 hours ago)

ha!

Until looking at this poll I am p sure I thought slate and salon were the same thing. Same looking websites! Same looking name!

Like thank god slate is not on trial and I'm not an eyewitness testimony.

even their stupid favicons are borderline indistinguishable

i think the commenters on slate are marginally saner than the ones on salon

Greenwald, Pareene, Seitz, duh

Seitz has moved to the Vulture, which brings Salon down in my estimation greatly. Still, I'll vote for it because they occasionally have some good articles, I don't read the Atlantic very often, and Slate's Cultural Gabfest is so terrible and annoying I wind up listening to at least 15 minutes every week before I go nuts and want to scream and then i go back to it just because I can't believe how awful they are.

though if I'm honest - now that Seitz is gone - I only ever read these when they're linked by someone on Twitter/fb/here.

from an older thread abt salon:

worst part of salon: the articles that say "i wondered and wondered about whether i was a bad parent for reasons x, y, and z and then realized how wrong conventional wisdom is because i am really a great parent, though i am not perfect because part of good writing is laying out your imperfections." aaaaaarrrgh.
― Maria (Maria), Sunday, July 3, 2005 2:16 PM (6 years ago)

I was trying to think of anything he'd written that I could remember reading prior to this - came up empty.

http://i.imgur.com/avoatxf.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ0Sv3DWIAAAkvO.jpg

http://thebaffler.com/salvos/omniscient-gentlemen-of-the-atlantic

lol

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/2/six-hot-media-startups-to-watch-in-2016.html

lol lol

Al Jazeera America has removed the satirical piece originally posted on this link, which included commentary on our company that we believe was not appropriate given its imminent closure.

nooooooooooooooooooo!!!

lmao it was so good

surely if anything al-jazeera's imminent closure is what made it appropriate

anyway no right to be forgotten

more perma link https://web.archive.org/web/20160225134033/http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/2/six-hot-media-startups-to-watch-in-2016.html

salon about to become faintly ridiculous in a different way

http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/08/new-salon-very-different-from-the-old-salon-004705

Can't possibly be worse

oh sure it could!

i honestly can't tell the difference between slate and onion headlines anymore:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/12/i_am_glad_the_harlem_deer_is_dead.html

that's really an all-time headline.

feels more clickhole tbh.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Vc9pAWEAArVcf.jpg

http://imgur.com/KY3Duj1.jpg

new slate website design is extremely ugly

The Atlantic, by a fair margin.

atm atlantic is the best of the 3 but they're all really bad i don't visit any regularly any more

Should Jews separate anti-Semitism from politics? https://t.co/zMNxsyBKRd pic.twitter.com/zSJSXJPmWi

— Slate (@Slate) November 1, 2018

pardon?

slate really should stop publishing anything

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/pete-buttigieg-gay-diversity-white-male-candidate.html

they're only good for dear prudence any more

Wow these three sites have been ILX’s collective punching bag. This thread is just seven years worth of bitching. Why is it every time a site gets redesigned everyone hates it?

i wouldn't have expected a white knight for salon, slate and the atlantic to appear at this hour and for that white knight to be mr. snrub

xp every redesign is a betrayal

it's sad, it was an american century

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D30q0pvXkAIxSPx.jpg:small

my fuckin dentist

rat bastard

The Atlantic is cutting 68 staffers - 17% of the total. Imagine having a staff of 400 and not being able to produce anything better than The Atlantic.

The shrinking of media jobs is depressing but if it must happen...

That's too bad. I don't usually think much of the Atlantic but they've been rocking their pandemic coverage imo.

i guess laurene powell jobs ran out of money : /

the greatest #slatepitch of all: the dark side of coloring books

https://slate.com/culture/2020/08/coloring-books-history-coronavirus.html

Basically, the center-right is terrified of the far-left and the center-left is terrified of the far right, and that is causing both to be less willing to criticize the fringe that is closest to them, which many earnestly see as obviously the lesser threat.

— Conor Friedersdorf (@conor64) September 6, 2020

Brain genius stuff

Seems like a weakness for a political journalist.

Maybe! I certainly worry about far right terrorists more. But I don't trust my ability to know who is the bigger threat and assiduously oppose both

— Conor Friedersdorf (@conor64) September 6, 2020

what if there were one stop shop for greenwald, megan mcardle and slate cultural criticism. wouldn't that be your homepage too?

for me to poop on

Atlantic on Atlantic crime

Saying nothing at all is an option that is permanently available to you, and that I urge you to more frequently consider. The same goes for tagging me into your thoughts.

— Ed Yong (@edyong209) February 24, 2022

The Atlantic has run the "you just can't say ANYTHING these days" essay again. This time, it's credited to Sarah Hepola. What's infuriating about this essay, no matter whose byline it carries this week, is that it pretends there are "forbidden" opinions that cry out to be debated, but...never tells you what they are. Because they're "forbidden," you see. I would love it if just one of these pieces offered a list of the topics you "can't write about." But they never do. "I’d grown terrified of being banished for views I considered reasonable, or at least worth discussing" — LIKE WHAT? COME ON, GIVE US JUST ONE. I DARE YOU. She gets SO close, too: "suddenly we were living in a time when so much that was once considered fair game for discussion (education, biological differences, the benefits of policing) had become dangerous." Love that second one, tucked carefully into that parenthetical... I'm sure someone at the Atlantic would be happy to give Hepola Charles Murray's email address; they could talk "biological differences" all day long and into the night. Oh, but she wouldn't be able to "discuss" it with readers of the Atlantic! The loss to our culture is incalculable, truly.

Why do artists and designers keep doing this? And why don't editors tell them, "I see what you did there, ha ha. Now put together the real version by deadline."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO72AjvXIAUKEsu.jpg

Stupid, but funny.

Fact Check-Fabricated image purports to show racist headline published by The Atlantic on Judge Clarence Thomas
By Reuters Fact Check

A digitally altered image circulating online purports to show a racist headline published by The Atlantic about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas following the Court’s reversal of Roe v. Wade. No such headline was published by the outlet, and the image is digitally altered.

The Atlantic logo is viewable at the top of the image, while the purported headline reads: “It’s Not Racist To Call Judge Clarence Thomas The N Word.”

A user who shared the image on Twitter said: “The “tolerant” Left is only tolerant of those who agree with them. Step out of line and the true nature of the Left presents itself”.

One iteration of the image gathered more than 1,000 likes at the time of writing.

...

A spokesperson for The Atlantic told Reuters no such headline was published by the outlet.

“This is a fabricated article, and we are reporting it as fake and a trademark infringement,” the spokesperson told Reuters.

This article is completely insane. It's like something out of National Review. I half expect the author to be on Tucker Carlson by the end of the week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcaV2e6XoAE5le0?format=jpg&name=large

They should have gone with Vox. The Atlantic is home to like 9,000,000 alarmist essays about campus cancel culture

https://slate.com/culture/2022/12/white-lotus-finale-hbo-sex-scene-nudity.html