marquee moon by Television

I guess it comes down to Whichever version you heard first.

here's that "foxhole" from the old grey whistle test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCQ0hEYhZE

It's nice that exists, sure.

But, apparently they did "Prove It" on totp but the tapes are wiped.

And I know nobody that remembers it!

oh ha, never knew they were on top of the pops. a shame, i think that foxhole is the only pro footage of the band in the 70s....

that OGWT clip is great. forgotten how shaky the vocals were though (apart from the fred and richard bit at the end!)

Tom V's live vocals have always sucked, p much. I mean, I like them, but I really can't defend them...

i believe that the waldorf thing is good. they were just way better live. still think they really only had 3 good to great songs though. the whole 2nd side of marquee moon doesn't do much for me. but the whole first side is cool. i was never a richard hell fan either. except for quine, obviously. i dunno, i like all the other big cbgb bands way more. i'm sure they were a revelation to new wavers or whatever back then. but to me at this late date...yeah, they were fine. i mean, they could never do to me what the groundhogs or thin lizzy do to me. as far as guitar bands go. and groundhogs sound way more punk rock and new wave (circa 1972) to me as well. (i always liked the song "marquee moon" going back years. everyone likes it. great riff. catchy. fun to listen to.)

I really should have got that Waldorf thing when it came out...

and rilly i'm not trying to start a television fight. it just occurred to me putting that on today that i had never owned a copy! or been in a room when someone played the whole thing.

it's available from iTunes and other MP3 services, just not physically anymore. It's the second best Television album.

I think it's on Spotify

It's not challops! I found the song Friction, e.g., really really boring until I heard that version.

I do like the coinage though

careful, enoic challops are a slippery slope to coldplay

this my favourite, like, everything record

yeah i know people have strong feelings about it. that's why i wanted to point out that i wasn't, like, trolling or whatever. BUT i can still be critical here. i hope.

i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something

The redoubtable Doom and Gloom from the Tomb site has put up some really great Television boots. The Portland show from the Earth Tavern blows the Waldorf Show (from the night before?) out of the water. Much rawer and more rocking versions of tunes from Adventure. And for an audience of about 50 from what I can tell!

the earth tavern show rules too but i think they are equal just different vibes on each night IMO

plus....the sound quality on the waldorf show goes a long way, damn near studio quality, portland is on the rough side (which actually fits the performance)

p much with you, scott. television to me are a band of a few great songs, a couple great live recordings. but when they're on, they're fucking ON.

I think it's on Spotify

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think, correctly.

mmmmm! It's a bit good, innit?

still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better.

back in the days when cassetes were still a going concern an ilxor promised to tape me that, never got round to it.

But i should...

That's on Spotify as well.

as is obvious from my blog, this band is top 10 for me, if pressed, i might even say marquee moon is my fave rock n roll album ever.

i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something
http://www.richardhell.com/jumptv1.jpg
think they were a little spazzy, at least w/ hell in the band, judging from this pic.

haha that's awesome

if anyone's interested, i just posted that hellevision comp mentioned above: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/18962115402/television-a-season-in-hell-soooo-heres-a
some of it's been around the block a bit, but there are some rare-ish things, too.

I am missing something again.

I bought it mid 80s

Revisited since, plenty of times.

Still not great.

say why though.

tylerw - excellent comp, thanks, making my way through now. Loving the baselines. Ficca is fkn fine too.

Be interesting to hear a full album's worth of Marque Moon versions, maybe...

on the occasion of its 40th birthday

https://damienlove.com/writing/friction-the-making-of-televisions-marquee-moon

sweet - thx!

very nice

Yeah, this was a wonderful read, thanks! I loved this part:

Tom came up with this idea, based on double-features at the movies: two bands each night. Never more, never less. Each would play two sets. So, on one night, you’d have Talking Heads, then Television, then Talking Heads, then Television.

I have never seen this done, and I think it's a great idea.

When I saw Television's tour nearly 3 years ago, they had some new songs, and I thought there were plans for a new album. Any word on that?

ha, well, read that Lloyd article linked above -- they've been talking about a new album (and playing various new songs) for well over a decade now.

jimmy ripp has basically said it's done except for the vocals

verlaine is such an odd case -- i wonder if he'll ever write a memoir of any kind.

ha, well, read that Lloyd article linked above -- they've been talking about a new album (and playing various new songs) for well over a decade now.

― tylerw

don't they just do "persia" for 20 minutes at every show?

yeah that might be the only new thing they do these days. in the early 00s, there were a bunch of things (handily compiled here): http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24

I wish tom v would write a memoir... as i've made clear i am a bit obsessed with him. There's no way he's ever gonna do it though. He never will, because we want him to. He can barely stand to be interviewed, even.

yeah it's unlikely, though I think someone asked him about it (maybe after the Richard Hell book came out?) and he said he was thinking about it.

he likes to think about doing things, does our tom

haha yeah, i just wonder if he saw patti's book getting on the bestseller lists and thought "hey, i could do that!" probably just a matter of some publisher making a big enough offer ... which is probably not going to happen.

Looks like the 2003 expanded remaster of Adventure is OOP, is the MM from the same edition.
Shame would hope they'd try to keep both in print.

yeah the last CD reissues of the debut and Adventure were from 2003 (along with the essential live at the old waldorf disc). maybe the ship has sailed, but there really should be a Television boxed set of some kind.

I actually bought the third album in Oxfam this weekend! £1.99 !

On CD, I should say.

I love that album