they remind me of Love Is... urgh
― blueski, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Useless revenue protection staff - it's not that there isn't an Oyster reader at that station, it's that Pre-pay on NR is far from prefect, and is only valid as far as Walthamstow Central.
It's a complete mess, I found this map the other day which is useful in seeing where Pre-Pay is and isn't valid on National Rail (almost used overground there, which leads to more confusion, ie the 'overground train' in colloquial use, and the London Overground which is the North London Line and other ex-Silverlink Metro services - this has its own set of Pre-Pay anomalies too!). They should either introduce total Z1-6 Pre-pay fares on NR, or none at all. Having bits of lines here and there is just stupid.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tickets/oyster-PAYG-08-01-02.pdf
― Bocken Social Scene, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
That's lousy, Colonel. Surely the point of penalty fares is to nab people who were trying to dodge the fare. What is wrong with just getting you to pay the extra station? (rhetorical question)
Thanks for the map, Bocken. I'm baffled as to why I'm not allowed to use PAYG at my station, Hornsey, on the line north of Finsbury Park, but can use it for stations south of FP on precisely the same line...
― Daniel Giraffe, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
In truth CP probably ought to have swotted up on his zones beforehand but then we have to remember that the point of penalty fares is to raise revenue for the Olympics Transport for London.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Those fascists that march through the carriages in gangs of four with their big bastard coats on are worse than fucking muggers, bouncers and traffic wardens put together. They contribute nothing good to the world.
― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
There were about 10 cops standing around at Walthamstow Central when I finally got home just doing fuck all, why weren't they out catching real criminals, eh, eh?
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Everytime I go through there now I expect to be stop & searched.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Choob STRIKE
― Upt0eleven, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link
because of what madonna said?
― Ste, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link
"This dispute boils down to properly trained Tube staff wanting to post lolcats instead of working."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I blame Mackenzie Crook
― Tom D., Friday, 28 March 2008 11:53 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL this is me RIGHT NOW.
― Raw Patrick, Friday, 28 March 2008 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay this is way cool:
http://onabus.com/
― Neil S, Friday, 28 November 2008 11:34 (fifteen years ago) link
That is cool. Acknowledges a big gap on the TfL site.
It'd be cooler if:
a)they had a cross-referenced index of all the buses and all the stops, so if I want to get to, say holloway road, I don't need to go to journey planner first.
b)I had an iphone or whatever; it's obviously aimed at mobile internet users "on a bus".
― Manchego Bay (G00blar), Friday, 28 November 2008 11:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Or if you could compare more than one route at the same time.
― Neil S, Friday, 28 November 2008 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link
what's it meant to do? nothing's happening...
― the next grozart, Friday, 28 November 2008 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link
One or two people at work have had the same problem. It displays a Google map plotting the bus route in question in a useful kind of way.
― Neil S, Friday, 28 November 2008 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Except it doesn't work on two mobile phones I just tried it on. I'm calling useless.
― Chopper Aristotle (Matt DC), Friday, 28 November 2008 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link
wow that is awesome. i bet it definitely works on an iPhone..
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 November 2008 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
hmm, it thought a 73 went from Upminster to Tilbury
― Ed, Friday, 28 November 2008 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
it's obviously aimed at mobile internet users "on a bus".
i.e. "onabus.com"
Doesn't work on a Blackberry either, you just get a list of bus stops which can surely be of no real use to anyone.
― Chopper Aristotle (Matt DC), Friday, 28 November 2008 12:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I was hoping the photos would be view from the top deck
― GSOHSHIT (blueski), Friday, 28 November 2008 12:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I checked the 73 route, that's a funny one! x-post
― Neil S, Friday, 28 November 2008 12:07 (fifteen years ago) link
next step from that being videos of journeys end to end xp
It thought a C11 was some sort of coach service from Kent too, but there's a list of other routes below the stops list. Not ideal.
― bocken (j.o.n.a), Friday, 28 November 2008 12:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I noticed google maps now has a thing where it shows locations of photos (presumably in picasa?) and wikipedia pages on the maps now.
― bocken (j.o.n.a), Friday, 28 November 2008 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link
No photos/Google maps coming up on my view either EPIC FAIL
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 28 November 2008 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm obviously very Beta at the moment.
― Neil S, Friday, 28 November 2008 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link
doesn't work on my PC either
― o_O (ken c), Friday, 28 November 2008 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
ok works on firefox
should tell you where you can change to other buses
― o_O (ken c), Friday, 28 November 2008 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Basically onthebus.com reveals exactly why they invented spider maps.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 November 2008 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
and asks the question why they invented the W7 bus routehttp://onabus.com/?route=w7
― o_O (ken c), Friday, 28 November 2008 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, I never quite worked out the rationale behind that one.
The really inexplicable one is the bus which goes from the top of Barnet to the bottom of Barnet and back again but I can't remember its number.
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 28 November 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
W7 useful for getting to tube black hole Muswell Hill from that other tube black hole Stoke Newington.
― Neil S, Friday, 28 November 2008 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Every time I'm in Stoke Newington every bus seems to go nowhere except Edmonton. What's the attraction?
― Brother Belcher (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 28 November 2008 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.onroutebus.com/wp-content/themes/onroute-theme/images/fp91.jpg
http://www.onroutebus.co.uk
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
transport in London the UK is shit
― Bob Six, Friday, 20 February 2009 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
For example, in Britain long-distance turn-up-and-go fully flexible day-return fares to the principal city (London) were 87% more expensive than in the next most expensive country surveyed - Germany.
This type of British fare was also more than three times as expensive than in the cheapest country surveyed - the Netherlands.
British annual season tickets for journeys of no more than 25 miles were 88% more expensive than the next most expensive country - France - and more than four times pricier than the cheapest country - Italy.
We should be rioting in the street or burning mainline stations to a cinder in protest.
― Bob Six, Friday, 20 February 2009 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
train fares in my part of the world have gone up by about 80% in the last, ooh, six, seven years. Dunno how that's justifiable in terms that aren't nonsense. Also, why is cross-country train travel so amazingly expensive when not purchased months in advance? For example, when Southern Rail (or someone) made me miss a bus from London to Glasgow with their 50 minute late train, they agreed to pay for us to get a train from London to Glasgow instead. Three single tickets: £318. Who actually buys tickets at that price?
― Ralph, Waldo, Emerson, Lake & Palmer (Merdeyeux), Friday, 20 February 2009 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, can I just complain about this a moment?
I had to go to a job interview this morning, so I hopped on a 159 expecting to get to Central London in about an hour. There was a road diversion so that it took over HALF AN HOUR to get to Brixton (normally a 15 minute busride) - so I hopped off at Brixton and decided to take the tube because I needed to be there by 11am.
It was FOUR POUNDS for a single. FOUR POUNDS to travel from zone 2 to zone 1.
That is just COMPLETELY out of order. And don't go on about Oyster cards because I STILL live in an area where they STILL don't take Oyster cards on my local train.
FOUR POUNDS. FOUR EARTH POUNDS. FOR A SINGLE. FROM ZONE 2 TO ZONE 1.
I can remember when I moved back to the UK, a bloody travelcard for the DAY was not quite four pounds. How can inflation have gone up that much?
― Mon Dieu! (My Balls!) (Masonic Boom), Friday, 20 February 2009 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
And don't go on about Oyster cards
hey how about you get an oyster card for, like, the bus and the tube?
― ledge, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Can I please proffer the opinion that London transport is actually quite good.
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
OTM
― ledge, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh good - not this again...How much research does there need to be to prove it?
To repeat something upthread: It's people not complaining, and not comparing it to more modern transport systems, that's partly responsible for London's transport remaining shit.
International competitiveness studies always highlight the expense of transport, crumbling infrastructure, and historic lack of investment as a negative factor in London's economic position.
― Bob Six, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
There's such a wide range of factors which differ between cities: climate, sprawl, population density, geography, layout, that I don't see how I can one can ever conduct meaningful research. Maybe other cities have better transport, but I'm still amazed *every single day* that this jumbled sprawling metropolis, the largest in Europe, is held together by a transport system which has got me from A to B every day since I've lived here somehow or other.
― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
[I can feel myself going a bit Marcello about this - probably the long-term built up frustration of all those poor journeys - so please adjust following for any hyperbole]
For that matter, there's such diversity between countries that you might as well say we can never compare economies fully, so can never carry out meaningful research and know that the Zimbabwean economic system is worse than - for example - Denmark... We might as well pack up all attempts at comparison....
Please raise your expectations over what a city transport system can provide - if not for yourself, for everyone else because (I suspect) a lot of improvements are demand-led.
If we just continue accept the clapped out inefficient expensive 'system' we've got in a well-intended but misguided, mustn't grumble/had worse/blitz spirit/forelock tugging manner, it'll never improve.
― Bob Six, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Tourist tax, innit.
― Leon Brambles (G00blar), Friday, 20 February 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, the fact that you've just discovered this (it's been £4 for a non-oyster single for at least 2-3 years now) is actually a good thing!
― Leon Brambles (G00blar), Friday, 20 February 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
clapped out inefficient expensive
Are there two different Londons? Ok the only other major city transport network I can really remember using is Paris. A single there: eur1.60. A single here: ukp1.60 (with oyster card). That's parity at the current exchange rate! And I would say London easily wins in terms of train frequency, and definitely in station coverage.
― ledge, Friday, 20 February 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link