Blue Oyster Cult: Classic or Dud?

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You can have too much?

-- Matt #2, Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:07 AM (41 minutes ago)

I'm certainly more likely to listen to "Arthur Comics" than to "A Fact About Sneakers."

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"Arthur Comics" is kind of real early American proto-punk, isn't it? Like Hackamore Brick and stuff.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"Does anyone know if any of the recordings of them with Les Braunstein on vocals (Soft White Underbelly sessions - 1st attempt at LP for Elektra) have ever surfaced?"

Being the pathetic BOC fan I am, I searched thoroughly for them but I never found anything.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Arthur Comics" is kind of real early American proto-punk, isn't it? Like Hackamore Brick and stuff"

Obviously yes - all these bands drew from the same secret source.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

If I remember right, he may not have put much of anything down in the studio. I think that's where they got hung up.

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Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Never read the Popoff book but the most exhaustive account of the band's history I've ever seen was the cover story of Goldmine a few years ago .. maybe 1999 or 2000? Anyway, just a massive article, it was like 20 pages before you even got to the switch from Stalk-Forrest to BOC...

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Seeing Myonga refer to B.O.C. as The American Black Sabbath reminded me of a theory I cooked up a little while back about B.O.C. being The American Hawkwind

Why-

1. Some Sci-Fi mythology (altough certainly less so for BOC)
2. Two biggest hits not sung by lead singer (BOC-"Reaper" & "Burnin'" sung by Roeser. Hawkwind-"Silver Machine" sung by Lemmy & "Quark..." by Bob Calvert) Which leads to...
3. Literary Connections (BOC-Pearlman, Meltzer & Patti Smith. Hawkwind-Michael Moorcock & Bob Calvert)
4. BOOGIE!
5. LASERS!

C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

BOC also had Moorcock.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

But there's a serious lead guitar disparity between the two.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

they also shared the same listserv email group way back in the day! the BOC/Hawkwind list. Good times. Albert Bouchard and Deb Frost used to post to it once in a very blue moon.

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i gotz love for Club Ninja! i bought that cassette when i was a kid. didn't know shit abt BOC, so it was the first one i heard...Dancin' in the Ruins is a great slab of AOR!

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they were the best American band of the 1970s. How about that, fuckers. Better than Utopia, even.

Great tunes, excellent feel, great harmony vocals - occasionally they sound like the heavy metal byrds, & what on earth could possibly be better than that, eh?

Buck Dharma is an awesome, underrated lead guitarist, as well.

I saw them live w/aldo nova supporting - I'm pretty sure it was the tour for "Club Ninja", as it happens. All the reviews in "sounds" etc were like "they're past their prime, yawn, avoid", I was dreading it, a bit but they tore the place up, once they got going they were like this unstoppable machine, they could have gone on all night for me.

One track by them I absolutely love is off "Imaginos" (which is pretty ropey otherwise) - "I am the one you warned me of", what a fucking track! Does anyone else dig that one?

I don't normally go in for rock-list-o-philia, but if I had to name my 5 favourite bands, BOC would make the list, easily.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I named my band's second album "Buck Dharma" in tribute (the resulting confusion on the Amazon page is pure hilarity worthy of The Onion), so you know where I stand.

To answer Matt's question, Club Ninja has it's moments. The production is actually not horrible for a mid-80s album, and "Dancin In The Ruins" is a killer song. I haven't heard it in a long time, but I remember it rather fondly. Then, I was nine when it came out.

All things considered, the Stalk Forrest Group album, after hearing about it for so many years, left me slightly underwhelmed.

Manalishi, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Somewhere on ILM is a post about one of my favorite concert experiences: fIREHOSE opening up for Blue Oyster Cult at a dead movie theater in Riverside sometime in 1987. Watt babbled about opening up for his heroes and even wore his old Secret Treaties shirt.

BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience, the Bouchard brothers were long gone, and the soundsystem was mostly crap so the first third of the show was slogging pretty badly until Eric Bloom went on this five minute berserk rant about frustration, UFOs, being "On Tour Forever," paranoia, shitty gigs, etc. etc. that blew up into an AMAZING version of "Take Me Away" that simultaneously blew out the cobwebs and gave them a full tank of rocket fuel because the rest of the gig was the LA Forum in 1975, even if there weren't any lasers.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience"

30 people to see BOC + fIREHOSE?!
that's crazy.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard one of their newer albums from 1999 or so, it was bloody awful. Just sounded like Magnum or something. Here's a band that needs to realise that the wheel has turned, and they could get a whole new younger audience if they went back to basics.

My BOC gameplan :

1. Get the proper line-up back together, burying the hatchet if necessary.
2. Do one of those Don't Look Back-type tours, playing the first 3 albums in their entirety.
3. Record a new album with whoever produces Witchcraft or someone like that, with Sandy Pearlman and / or sci-fi authors writing all the lyrics.
4. Clean up (hopefully).

They could still tour state fairs in the summer too, who'd know? Anyway, none of this'll ever happen more's the pity. I may have to start a tribute band instead.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I always thought that Radio Birdman were heavily influenced by Blue Oyster Cult.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

5. Bring back the giant paper-mache Godzilla headpiece during the drum solo.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Easily in my top 5 too. I can imagine the records sounding like true classic rock from the day they came out.

And this might creep people out, but I always imagine Secret Treaties would have made a great rock musical, if such a thing is truly possible. I don't even like musicals!! Lasers and BOC and a jet plane and the outfits seen in Scott's pics...

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Or maybe I just wanna see 'em live, but MASSIVE.

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Astronomy" is one of the greatest and most overlooked songs ever. Metallica agrees!

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Stormy way OTM above about that _Goldmine_ article being the definitive BOC story (this was before eBay killed _Goldmine_ dead in its tracks, so there was room for mega-articles such as this one). Pretty sure Steve Roeser was the author, so there were some good inside scoops.

Jeff Wright, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

youtube action:


1980 live godzilla:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiHRm2DioMA


1976 live astronomy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V7KPZtcOVQ


1980 live cities on flame

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msT-5t8rZFE


1980 live dr. music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3yNvVCrnc


astronomy video from imaginos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE4ecIKXr5o


joan crawford video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHzIG_iZRWY


1976 live reaper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDuYlRs9_Do


cool live promo thing of ruready2rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYbQFzl790E


marshall plan video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0cKtcpiBNY


more 76 action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WPStttiLX0

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw the video for buck dharma's "born to rock" on the vault a couple of months ago. man do I love that show.

Edward III, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Absolute 100% stone cold classic. And Dharma absolutely kills on guitar. Kills.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

All the reviews in "sounds" etc were like "they're past their prime, yawn, avoid", I was dreading it, a bit but they tore the place up, once they got going they were like this unstoppable machine, they could have gone on all night for me.

One track by them I absolutely love is off "Imaginos" (which is pretty ropey otherwise) - "I am the one you warned me of", what a fucking track! Does anyone else dig that one?


I saw them a lot as a newspaper features reporter after Columbia had given them the boot. Most of the time, they were great. Occasionally they'd be in a pit packed with sociopaths and suck.

I liked the first side of Imaginos, so I'm also a fan of that tune. Also, "The Siege and Investiture of Baron Frankenstein's Castle in Weisseria" which surely sounds like it has pre-fame Michael Bolton slumming on lead vocals. "Carpe diem!" is the chorus.

I wrote a long piece for CREEM Metal off an interview with Buck Dharma for the release of Imaginos. Should put it in digital form and stick it on the web. Maybe. One of these days.

Gorge, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

That "Astronomy" video is something else! Is that what the version from Imaginos sounds like? The Secret Treaties version is WAY better! Although I like the 80s galloping drums.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

... and that Joan Crawford video is all sorts of creepy. The weird thing is, I'm pretty sure I've seen it before.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

this band was so fundamentally weird it's crazy.

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

it's true. smarter than they seemed and fucking odd.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Odd but fucking kick-ass. I love BOC. Sad that they are only known for the two or three classic rock radio hits-they don't do them justice.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link

...not that those couple-three hits aren't deservedly famous, of course.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I totally agree, that wasn't clear from my post.

If Gorge is reading this, it would be great if he could post that Creem Metal article he discussed a year ago.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

and not just weird lyrically but they were such and odd mix musically, like you can hear (esp. on the early stuff) the vestiges of San Fran psych and Steppenwolf proto-hard rock boogie but there's something more menacing and angular about how they do it...also a metal element that's almost more there as an abstract feeling than *actual* metal music....then later stuff like "Joan Crawford" is what? AOR Goth?

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 10 April 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Here's an excerpt from "Fear the Cheaper" which ran in the Voice back in 2001. It was a review of For the Heavy Metal Kids and the Yardbirds -- a Euro boot of Columbia's promo boot of BOC live ca. 72. Originally, it went to radio but there was enough fan and critical interest to ensure that it was issued commercially in a small run. It's also been in and out of reissue semi-regularly. The rendition of "Buck's Boogie" from it might have been the one that wound up on The Guitars That Destroyed the World anthology from around the same time. I can't remember, too long ago.
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...But the real reason for this tear is the re-arrival of For the Heavy Metal Kids and the Yardbirds, a live EP/CD of BÖC performing at a pizza parlor in Rochester in '72 that, I am informed, floats in and out of limited bootleg circulation every few years. The provenance is that it's a CD of a famous Columbia promo issued to radio shortly after the appearance of the first Blue Öyster Cult album.

For the Heavy Metal Kids has fairly obviously been mastered from original plastic. Listen close and you detect the light surface noise and rumble of turntable machinery, perfect in this case because it is precisely what BÖC sounded like back in someone's smelling-of-caked-joy-rag bedroom circa 1972. The tone is hot, airless as if heard in a stereo-equipped pine box, the band pressing stiflingly close upon the audience through a paralyzing smog of brutish, antique amplification.

Eric Bloom laughs maniacally and asks, "Wazzup, man?" as japing bullyboys chant, "You'd kill, you'd maim." This is eclipsed by the best performance of "Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll" on record. The number stalks the room in a transfixing exhibition of vulgar power, the signature riff pitting the guitar against the kick bass and floor tom in a bare-knuckles gang fight with the singer as referee. The packaging is a gatefold decorated with the half-menacing faux-Hunter S. Thompson gibber of "Transmaniacon MC." The disc even takes a stab at furthering the mythos of Gawlik.

In other words, the beating heart of For the Heavy Metal Kids brings everything BÖC's history merits to the table-its early mysterious harshness, the strong whiff of an impression that those who partook of it were members in a dream-world club of intellectual men of action and heavy-handed motorcycle thugs-everything the expected age-of-information product does not or will not provide.

And it's on a weird label named Munster.
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Gorge, Thursday, 10 April 2008 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link

"Menacing" is an accurate way to describe the first three records. Even the strange way they (esp. the first two) were recorded gives you the willies. They were much freakier than their neighbors in Kiss, who came across as a cartoon.

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Thanks Gorge

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Alright, I don't get this. I'm crazy about this song "I Love The Night" but I tried to play the album that has Don't Fear The Reaper on it and the style just doesn't work for me. Do they have anything else like "I Love The Night"?

Bimble, Thursday, 24 April 2008 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's about right. Liking "I Love the Night" at the expense of the other stuff cited doesn't get BOC. Run along now.

Gorge, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Bimble, I would check out Cultosaurus Erectus. "Deadline" is pretty close tonally.

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^That's my fave BoC album!

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Going to see 'em tonight! Or at least, Buck Dharma, Eric Bloom and some other dudes. Still... pretty psyched!

Has anyone seen them in the last few years? Perhaps on this tour? Or even at any point at all??

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

will be worth it just to see Eric Bloom do that mock "what's that noise?" bit right before they kick into "Godzilla"...

henry s, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

There's this insane "giglopaedia" thing here that is trying to document every show they ever did. Pretty insane.

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

cool!...I camped out for this concert:
http://www.hotrails.co.uk/history/images/1979/tickets/790921a.jpg

henry s, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow. Is that 1978??

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

1979

also went to this one:
http://www.hotrails.co.uk/history/images/1980/tickets/801005a.jpg
(this was the Ronnie James Dio Black Sabbath, so not really the dream line-up it appears to be)

henry s, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

No, that's still a dream concert man. The Black and Blue Tour is legendary!

Specter, where are you seeing them? They are still great, even if they are touring small halls.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Holy shit, that Hot Rails to Hell website is great. BOC is definitely a group that lends itself to that sort of fanaticism, for whatever reason.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I have a few BOC cassettes but I just downloaded their greatest hits off emusic. I felt like doing something uncool. You guys are all a bunch of dorks talking about some records no one wants to hear. I am really loving listening to this, it sounds so seventies like nothing else. Probably because they only play two Blue Oyster Cult songs on the radio. That makes them cool and mysterious to me now.

MCCCXI (u s steel), Thursday, 5 November 2009 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"You guys are all a bunch of dorks talking about some records no one wants to hear."

Thanks.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 5 November 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Being chased around!
By the neighbor's cat!
It's so lonely in the state of Maine!

peace, man, Monday, 9 October 2023 13:55 (six months ago) link

dumb clouds

henry s, Monday, 9 October 2023 14:16 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Stairway to the Stars is such a monster. Just such an evil sounding song.

Top 10 Most Evil BoC songs?

Stairway to the Stars
Don't Fear the Reaper
ETI
???

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 21 December 2023 23:01 (three months ago) link

Not supernatural evil per se, but I would put “Then Came The Last Days of May” in such a list.

It is definitely a classic of a drug deal gone bad.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 21 December 2023 23:28 (three months ago) link

Er, I don't think BOC was more ev-yul than on, well, "Career of Evil." They'd like to do it with our daughter on a dirt road? Then keep the ransom money?! But continue to rob us of our sleep?!! And fail to apologize?!!

This will not stand!

henry s, Thursday, 21 December 2023 23:53 (three months ago) link

well, I mean, I'm biased, but "Joan Crawford" has a very evil vibe. "Searchin' for Celine" is kinda ominous. But if yr in the right mood p. much any BoC song is ominous as hell

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 22 December 2023 00:19 (three months ago) link

My 12 yr old loves BOC, not as much as he loves Steely Dan but they're the hard rock legends he prefers above all others I've played for him. I think the fact they're both vv smooth and rock the hell out is a rare and potent combo.

omar little, Friday, 22 December 2023 01:14 (three months ago) link

omar raising the next generation right

My evil selections above I think lean into the lurid, seductive chaos type of evil. Like beckoning the listener, making them complicit.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 22 December 2023 01:36 (three months ago) link

"Veins" off The Revolution by Night

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 December 2023 02:09 (three months ago) link

It's funny how their explicit Nazi song is actually one of their least ominously evil sounding.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 December 2023 02:21 (three months ago) link

Transmaniacon MC is pretty menacing.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 December 2023 02:39 (three months ago) link

Omar 🫡

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 December 2023 02:52 (three months ago) link

They'd like to do it with our daughter on a dirt road? Then keep the ransom money?! But continue to rob us of our sleep?!!

more to the point, they're coming for your blue-eyed horseshoe

Deflatormouse, Friday, 22 December 2023 03:05 (three months ago) link

I Love the Night sucks you into the vampire lifestyle with gorgeous soft-rock harmonies and Buck's mellifluous guitar tones, and then "the lovely lady in white was by my side" and it's all over.

Dominance and Submission is just plain fucking contaminated by evil.

you have already voted in this dolt and cannot vote again (Matt #2), Friday, 22 December 2023 04:08 (three months ago) link

Career of Evil, definitely.

Transmaniacon MC is about the tension at Altamont, really sinister vibe.

Mistress of the Salmon Salt is crazy, a woman serial killer lures men, kills them, and uses them as fertilizer.

A. Begrand, Friday, 22 December 2023 04:37 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

Killer 1979 club set from when BOC were touring semi-incognito under their old "Soft White Underbelly" name
https://ijwthstd.blogspot.com/2024/03/blue-oyster-cult-san-francisco-ca-1979.html

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 24 March 2024 03:55 (three weeks ago) link

Stairway to the Stars is such a monster. Just such an evil sounding song.

Never heard these guys before but oh man, this is brilliant. I came late to the Rolling Stones and never fully got into even the classic LPs, probably because, from all I'd read and heard about them, I was expecting the Stones to sound like THIS.

TheNuNuNu, Sunday, 24 March 2024 20:52 (three weeks ago) link

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I was listening to that show a couple of weeks ago downloaded from a different source - was really liking its “Astronomy” when there was a big cut in the middle. Does this source have that?

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 25 March 2024 21:33 (three weeks ago) link


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