Dirty Projectors

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yeah

how is being conscious of your sound a bad thing?

talk about cockism

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah, i'd take overly composed music over another sloppy jam band anyday.

bell_labs, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

I don't necessarily mean it's over-composed

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

I know.

Really though, I think the "look at me!" with acts like this is more in the listener who's threatened by like the flamboyant content or something.

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

i listened to some of this. i didn't even get the black flag thing at all. sometimes stuff like this seems like it was written with a press release first, just to bait rock writers, then do the album after it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

there's also the possibility that people WANT to make music that sounds different

not that this is the differentest band ever... but compared to a good deal of indie rock they are

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 22:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

i really like this band, but lately the lyrics really bug me. not even his weird singing voice, just the lyrics themselves. the rest of it is so meticulous and then that part is just kind of phoned in...

wait the black flag part of the lyrics ?

tramp steamer, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

uhh what? not all of their songs are black flag covers...i haven't even listened to the one that is

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

err the one album that is. i was mostly talking about getty address and the glad fact.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

When I saw them live I kept thinking "Jesus, shut that guy up and let the girls sing." Then I got a promo of the album (whatever one was before the Black Flag thing) and kept thinking, "Oh, you precious fuck, shut the hell up and let the girls sing."

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh, and to answer the years-old question: No, the reason that no one wrote about this is not because it was too complicated. It was because if you like complicated music, this is disappointing and if you like poppy music, this is annoying. It hits the same dilettante weirdness level as Animal Collective.

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

<i>i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.</i>

You should be...it's awful stuff.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 01:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

-- vadx, Friday, October 5, 2007 4:06 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

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Hurting 2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 02:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

C'mon, ILM! No love for Rise Above? This is a kick-ass record.

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I played Six Pack on my radio show about a month ago.
Really cool.

Trip Maker, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm revisiting this now (it's getting a whole lot of love around montreal, randomly) and i've decided it's great. more the beginning than the end, though, i think.

sean gramophone, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Rise Above" is the best thing on it.

Simon H., Friday, 18 January 2008 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i too had my misgivings about this band but the absolutely killed it last night in portland. fuck. like why do i even try to make music?? one of those shows ...

interesting fact: apparently ezra koenig of vampire weekend was a dirty projector between 2002-05. the fuck?~!?

uptown churl, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I read this http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=6538 article in the newspaper. I didn't know until just now that Dirty Projectors were supposed to be fake afropop. I thought they were supposed to be Don Caballero with sick lyrics and harmonies over it.

Has the singer guy from Dirty Projectors ever said himself that he is ripping off black people, or is it just a music journalist overlay? I always thought their sound was just math rock. (Or is it that math rock is ripping off black people??)

Please clarify, thanks.

freewheel, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 00:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

he does use some afro-pop guitar work on his records, guitar picking techniques and such, but it's not like it's anything new in rock to do this.

Has the singer guy from Dirty Projectors ever said himself that he is ripping off black people

haha, no, i don't think so

oscar, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

also this :

Vampire Weekend; Arctic Monkeys of 2008?

for an indepth discussion that would prove interesting to you, if you take issue with that article

oscar, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

Has the singer guy from Dirty Projectors ever said himself that he is ripping off black people, or is it just a music journalist overlay? I always thought their sound was just math rock. (Or is it that math rock is ripping off black people??)

All I know of Dirty Projectors is whatever the ~hour long animated thing on pitchfork.tv is (which is pretty consistently great, actually) and a live show I caught in Ithaca a few months back. Neither one of those sounded remotely like what you're describing.

Z S, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 01:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

Seeing them live just solidified how fucking great they are for me.. They did mostly 'Rise Above' stuff and it all sounded stunning...the amazing harmonies, the gobsmacking guitar work...it just sounded effortless and brilliant.

I get the feeling they've yet to do their best stuff though. And folks who lump 'em in with Vampire Weekend are just wrong, if anyone actually does who has heard them both.

Mister Craig, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

There's some sproingy guitar that suggests they've listened to a few afropop records, but to lump them in with a movement like that is selling them way short--they are playing with the full musical deck and have been for a few albums now.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

How is Dirty Projectors anything like Vampire Weekend? I mean, they're both indie Ivy League bands in New York City, but Dirty Projectors is somewhere in the "weirdy beardy" brand whereas Vampire Weekend's more like MTV pop.

burt_stanton, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I've had Rise Above for a few months. "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie" is very good and the title track is nice, but the rest doesn't do much to tickle my giblets. Is any of their other stuff worth getting?

Freedom, Thursday, 30 October 2008 18:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

I love the way this guy wails. im not too keen on how some of 'The Getty Address' sounds. I find the plonker percussion really grating, but the arrangements are mostly great. 'New Attitude' is my pick. The track 'Fucked For Life' is incredible. You get a sense that with such a strong voice, and the ability to find those snatches of awesome melodic counterparts that there is an ability to just not be so damn difficult with the songs, but i adore how it just is.

siskin/skulls, Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

Slaves' Graves and Ballads!

BusDriverStu (Bus Driver Stu), Friday, 31 October 2008 08:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

new album has leaked and is pretty amazing

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 April 2009 11:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

That Phoenix compilation with the Rise Above cover (while I was in the middle of rediscovering Damaged) made me curious enough to want to hear this. The Getty Address was pretty great imo.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 10 April 2009 11:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've had "Stillness is the Move" on repeat since yesterday

Number None, Friday, 10 April 2009 11:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

new one is pretty pretty good. very schizophrenic.

cutty, Friday, 10 April 2009 12:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

new album has leaked and is pretty amazing

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, April 10, 2009 6:23 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark

the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 07:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

love this. "no intention" and "two doves" are each magnificent

europeen handball (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's like if matthew friedberger wrote vampire weekend an album

the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

i just realized that it reminds me most menomena, but much better

the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 09:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

i really can't tell if those descriptions should make me excited or not

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hate all the bands j0rdan mentioned but i like this album

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

not saying those aren't appropriate sonic comparisons, just saying that not liking those dudes isn't a guarantee you won't be into this

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

this music is insane

cutty, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 13:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's like if matthew friedberger wrote vampire weekend an album

― the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:33 AM (9 hours ago)

i've never really gotten the parallels people draw between VW and dirty projectors, even after learning that koenig was a dirty projector for a few years. some of the vocal inflections he and longstreth do are similar, maybe

europeen handball (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

i can hear it in the guitars a little bit

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

did not know that is v. surprising

Plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

funny, i've just been getting around to rise above. does the new stuff have all kinds of crazy-ass tempo changes?

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

here and there, i guess, but that's not really what i took from it

europeen handball (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

yes it does

cutty, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

sweet

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

I wish the album were longer. It was great, then Flourescent Half-Dome made my head explode, then it was over.

Tourtiere (Owen Pallett), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 14:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

It was my assumption from the off that the bits with the pitch-shifted voice in KYN are being delivered to Longstreth, not by him.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

pitch-shifting is used so often now that I don't see it as representative of anything but a lack of imagination

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

That's... not normally how things work... There's also guitars on one track. Real lack of imagination.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Normally if one use of an effect becomes codified, it becomes easier to see it as meaning that. And honestly the pitch-shifting in Keep Your Name sounds like the pitch-shifting in Blame Game and countless drug songs: A loss of personality, the subconscious speaking. Listening to the 'What you want is FAAAAME' it doesn't work as something being said to him. Not to my ears. It escalates in the way a discussion doesn't, it sounds much more like someone sitting alone and getting angry.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

the difference is that guitars are a basic instrument that has been used for centuries and in rock for decades, and that this particular form of pitch shifting is a fleeting trend that has become ubiquitous in the past years

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

cf. the fleeting technological trends of the synthesizer, the sampler and the drum machine

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

pitch shifting = using the computer as a basic instrument

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

no shit, but this is a specific *kind* of pitch-shifting that is an overdone, often thoughtless effect. it's like paint vs. avocado-colored paint

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

idk, I really like the pitch-shifting on KYN (especially the pitched-down parts), it doesn't feel thoughtless to me. Bon Iver-esque auto-tune/vocoder harmonies feel more played out.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

I will say the album is produced really well - love when the vox go double-tracked on Keep Your Name. The blown out horns on Up in Hudson are sweet, too.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Boy the entire aesthetic of Future, who has two number one albums this year, sure is an "overdone, often thoughtless effect"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 16:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

key word is "often"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is sweet, song exploder on my favorite song from the record, real geek shit http://pitchfork.com/news/72377-dirty-projectors-dissects-up-in-hudson-on-song-exploder-kanye-bowie-and-more-listen/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video

flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah it was super interesting to see how he put it together and how much input tyondai braxton had.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 23 March 2017 06:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

guess i'm glad he thinks the guitar coda goes on way too long, too

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 16:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

that's the best part though

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 March 2017 17:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

I checked for Mauro Refosco after listening to this and I see that he's now making $$$$ slumming it as the Red Hot Chili Peppers' touring percussionist. Cool to know that's him on the Atoms for Peace record though, I had assumed that was all Joey Waronker.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 March 2017 17:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Performing 'Cool Your Heart' on Fallon last night with D∆WN, Tyondai Braxton and The Roots.

Looks like the drummer who took over from Brian McOmber after Swing Lo Magellan (I think it's Michael Johnson) is playing with him also.

https://youtu.be/MZ8U7uDXSOg

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 11 May 2017 12:59 (six months ago) Permalink


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