Emerson Lake & Palmer Electronic Pioneers????

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"Tocatta" from Brain Salad Surgery -- that's as close as ELP come to electronic pioneering.

And since everyone's shilling for their own pieces on ELP, here's mine on the great Love Beach...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, here: http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=413

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt,

you have to hear "Taste of My Love", if you have not already. Trust me, the lyrics alone do not do the song full justice. :)

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 26 February 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

As a teenage prog obsessive, I owned one ELP album - the first one - and barely listened to it. I don't think anybody's pretending that punk was anti-prog any more: for fuck's sake, Magazine, people. Pashmina was cock on about them being too blues-based for most prog kids.

Also, re: influence. Get one Silver Apples.

Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 February 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Does anyone else think Trilogy is a completely AWESOME album? Damn I need to put that on when I get home

surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave's point, that he didn't put in, was that Kraftwerk is owed the most, and that they were recording at the same time.

... but not recording with synthesizers of course

Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Bernie Worrell affectionately refers to Keith Emerson (with a mention of the mighty Tarkus, no less) in the Funkadelic issue of Wax Poetics.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i love tarkus but i never got into it as much as trilogy. that was always the magnum opus for me.

surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

trilogy. that was always the magnum opus for me

I want to agree, but I also want to say that their debut is pretty stellar: I mean, Tank and Take a Pebble on the same album...

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

yes that's very true, tht album is beautifu

surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a hard time listening to any of these records and I'm a big ostentatious prog fan

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i never minded "from the beginning," that greg lake song where he's sort of like gene clark lost in the english spookiness of post-beatle panic. the big selling point was always the synths, though, so greg lake was just another crappy pop songwriter w/ sound effects, and just goes to show how savvy marketers got by the time of "trilogy" and that prime era of prog, "fragile" about the same time. the piano-hammond interaction on "tarkus" was pretty substandard, i thought, and the songs were pretty substandard procol harum-isms along the lines of "lucky man" (did you know that the synth solo in that one just sorta *happened*, man--they were pioneers of aleatory, too). but "pioneers," sure, just like edgar winter on "frankenstein" and "free ride" or focus when they yodel on their big hit. you got to hear synths, clumsy popsong, etc., and also another useless "supergroup" of the era, like greg lake sang in king crimson before fripp-o went jazz.

under duress i could listen to "trilogy" again, "from the beginning" is actually quite pleasant '70s single along the lines of anne murray, "saturday in the park" or that one great ambrosia single, "nice, nice, very nice." not perhaps as good as argent's "hold your head up," or flash's "small beginnings" (the latter is actually kinda cool) or for that matter, three dog night's "out in the country" and "harvest for the world," that great, spooky single of theirs. '70s music. of course, i have heard them do "pictures at an exhibition," which was a nice conceptual-art piece, and they got *really* pretentious and art-directed by the time of "brain salad surgery."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

They were among the first people who used all those Moogs and Arps, but I wouldn't call them "pioneers", considering they debuted in 1970 while The Monkees and The Byrds had used synths already in 1967.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Btw. Kraftwerk themselves were basically starting out as a prog band. Sure, more krautrock than space rock/symphonic rock, but krautrock was also part of the entire prog scene.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Thankfully, Kraftwerk quickly outgrew such juvenile nonsense

Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Wasn't Keith Emerson instrumental (ugh) in the development of the Minimoog, by encouraging Bob Moog to create a compact synth they could take on tour? That would render ELP influential in some way, I imagine.

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you're right there

Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Thankfully, Kraftwerk quickly outgrew such juvenile nonsense

I think not. "Trans Europa Express" is a concept album featuring several lengthy and complex tracks with obvious influence from classical music.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Wasn't Keith Emerson instrumental (ugh) in the development of the Minimoog, by encouraging Bob Moog to create a compact synth they could take on tour? That would render ELP influential in some way, I imagine.

Somewhat. Except the people behind the Arp 2600 thought likewise, and by "pushing" their synths on several major acts probably did more to spread synth technology than Moog did.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Btw. lots of interesting facts at the following sites:
www.vintagesynth.com
www.synthmuseum.com
www.synthmania.com

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

HAVE YOU WALKED,
ON THE STONES OF YEARS?

:)

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for reminding me i'm gonna dig up some elp!

surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 1 February 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The song Trilogy kills me.

surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 1 February 2007 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i swear this song is crazy. the drums kick in and it's like a different planet.

surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 1 February 2007 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for the (semi-)links, Geir!

Myonga Van Bonhomie (Monty Von Byonga), Thursday, 1 February 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

omg I am drunk now and getting into ELP what is wrong with me?

mirostones, Thursday, 6 December 2018 03:58 (five years ago) link

that you waited this long

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 04:39 (five years ago) link

Carl Palmer could’ve been a pioneering electronic drummer, with the setup he had around ‘74-‘75 or so. But while the setup itself was innovative, he was still Carl Palmer.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 6 December 2018 04:53 (five years ago) link

re: the topic of this thread, I'm someone whose entry into Really Loving Music was through dance music of the mid-2000s, and a copy of the ELP live album from my dad's CD collection led to a brief foray into prog obsessiveness (the primary remnants of which today are a ride-or-die Mars Volta fandom and a respect for any band that can get their songs satisfyingly over the 10-minute mark) because it was "rock with synthesizers" and could thus break through my kneejerk aversion to a rock's then-apparent status as EDM's eternal mean older brother. Now, none of this rules out the possibility that I am, in fact, stupid, but it is at least a real data point in the argument's favor.
Also live "Aquatarkus" rules regardless of any other claims made here or elsewhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njbx8wJ78Qg

You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:16 (five years ago) link


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