LOOK OUT, SHOES!
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link
if there is another book in the series where the main character BARELY FIGURES AT ALL then i may give up
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 24 October 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link
― adam (adam), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link
SO TRUE.
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 25 October 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link
I loyally read this series cos I started 13 years ago, but it's beginning to try my patience.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 October 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link
i need to muster up the energy to order the last one actually.
― H (Heruy), Sunday, 26 October 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 26 October 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 27 October 2003 12:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt (Matt), Monday, 27 October 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 27 October 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 October 2003 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
I caved in and started re-reading a few days ago. Already halfway through The Great Hunt. There's so much shit that I didn't even remember happening. It's better than TV at least.
(P.S. his Conan books suck in comparison to the Howard originals.)
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link
does it bother anyone else when the characters speak without contractions? fuck, dude... his dialogue is v. unrealistic/wooden at times.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link
I NEVER GIVE UP ON BOOKS
― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Very true actually. I remember at the time this seemed really bold to me, (this was before I had read much at all admittedly), but it was also really emotionally affecting and vaguely tragic as well - kinda like a literal embodiment of post-colonial emphasis on lived experience, a "history" that is particular to the viewpoint of a certain group of people passed down through generations and cannot be translated. the slow abandonment of certain values being revealed in reverse was also super-effective, the dramatic irony of hearing Aiel say "we'll never give up the true way" (or whatever it was) when you've already read the scene where they give it up. The whole thing was immensely thoughtful.
There was lots of interesting alternate reality stuff like this in the earlier novels (like any time anyone stepped through a door/ring/touched a stone etc.) that is missing in the later stuff, and everything has increasingly been flattened out into an endless present tense that is almost suffocating.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 06:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:31 (nineteen years ago) link
I am almost done with book nine. :(
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link
moral: never read a series that isn't finished!
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
oooh new book knife of dreams is out late 2005
...and I will wait quite a while it seems.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link
he's dead:
http://www.dragonmount.com/RobertJordan/?p=90
― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 08:04 (sixteen years ago) link
WTF
― ryan, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:22 (sixteen years ago) link
so wait, did he never outright finish the series? the first book came out in 1990 and now it's going to go unresolved? that. sucks.
― ^@^, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't dare write RIP or anything, I haven't read any of the books and people seemed to be so cheerfully talking about his death here :-/
― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, obviously, RIP and all that. seemed like a nice guy, but WTF
― ryan, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:36 (sixteen years ago) link
rip
wtf
― HI DERE, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Indeed. :-/
A quick check at Wikipedia brings this up:
Final volumeOn October 18, 2005, at a book signing in West Chester, Pennsylvania, Jordan gave the working title of the 12th book as A Memory of Light. As one of the attendees told Dragonmount.com, Jordan also warned that the final volume of the saga "could be a 1500-page monster" because he has so many dangling plot threads to wrap up in a single volume. He maintained that A Memory of Light would remain one volume "whether it is 1500 pages long, Tor has to invent a new binding system, or it comes with its own library cart". Due to his health problems, Jordan did not work at full force on the final installment, but blog entries confirmed that he continued work on it until his death, and he shared all of the significant plot details with his family not long before he died. [13]
On October 18, 2005, at a book signing in West Chester, Pennsylvania, Jordan gave the working title of the 12th book as A Memory of Light. As one of the attendees told Dragonmount.com, Jordan also warned that the final volume of the saga "could be a 1500-page monster" because he has so many dangling plot threads to wrap up in a single volume. He maintained that A Memory of Light would remain one volume "whether it is 1500 pages long, Tor has to invent a new binding system, or it comes with its own library cart". Due to his health problems, Jordan did not work at full force on the final installment, but blog entries confirmed that he continued work on it until his death, and he shared all of the significant plot details with his family not long before he died. [13]
So presumably there'll be an ending of some sort.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:49 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost
wtf is up with all yo's wtf's?
http://i18.tinypic.com/6apgw1w.gif
― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost He had been ill for some time with some obscure form of cancer and received some treatment for it last year. He had been rushing through the final book as he knew his time was limited and his wife is apparently due to finish it off from his outline.
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Some of us have read all 11 books and were awaiting the 12th with bated breath. Even thought others will finish off his plots for him, they won't have been written by him, hence "wtf".
― HI DERE, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link
oh! ok, thanks.
― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link
haha ned that's almost worse!
anyway, i'm not being very helpful here, i know. rip to the dude and sorry for his fans. but still... shit.
― ^@^, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
It's kinda interesting that when I started reading his books in my early 20s (and I'm nearly 40 now) I said to my friends "I hope he doesn't die before he finishes..."
wtf is right.
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I only ever made it through the first four books, but RIP.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link
:-(
It really does seem like this very very sad cosmic punchline, I think as much for him as a writer as for his readers.
― Tim F, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow. I was rooting for the guy to make it. I wonder how much of book 12 he did actually get written.
― Pashmina, Monday, 17 September 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
at the risk of seeming to defend jordan, many genre authors got their start in conan/wars/trek/dr who/whatever to pay the bills. and then they learned that you needed to write a trilogy (at least) to really catch on
i tend to think that the later WoT jordan books were an example of him disappearing up his own ass rather than simply extending the series for relevance and profit, but certainly there's an argument otherwise
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:55 (three months ago) link
as roberts said, tho, the whole thing with powerful sorceresses being endlessly spanked is . . . quite something
apparently jordan's wife was an editor at tor? which may explain several things
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 03:57 (three months ago) link
I suppose one could disappear up one's own ass for relevance and profit.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 December 2023 03:59 (three months ago) link
There is no shame in writing Conan books. There is shame in writing them that badly.
one could disappear up one's own ass for relevance and profit
truth bomb/board description
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:06 (three months ago) link
I've read a couple of his Conan books and they're not that bad. A bit straightforward compared to the magical atmosphere of the Howard stories, but still decent adventure fare. I sometimes wish he'd kept some of that fast pulp pacing in Wheel of Time.
― jmm, Monday, 4 December 2023 04:46 (three months ago) link
I'm taking my time but just finished book 6 - lots of things happened! Probably the best book so far.
― TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Thursday, 28 December 2023 18:35 (three months ago) link
otm
we are here for support for the next five
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 28 December 2023 18:55 (three months ago) link
My 12-year-old kid turns to me at this point and says, “This is a good show.”
https://defector.com/how-the-wheel-of-time-made-great-art-out-of-great-pain ($)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2024 21:27 (two months ago) link
watching season 2 on prime now
ive been able to quite divorce it from the books now in my head, but can still lament how rushed it is to shorthand characters, intros, situations
but so it must be i guess
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 January 2024 20:55 (two months ago) link
rewriting it with a focus on lazy kink is not something id have thought was required
but they are all very sexy so
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:08 (two months ago) link
The Wheel of Sex
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:29 (two months ago) link
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, January 11, 2024 bookmarkflaglink
I just binged both seasons last week. I've never read any of the books but I still could sense quite clearly that all of these characters & places were likely much richer in the books. The narrowing of scale is palpable, even as I enjoyed most of the final product.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 11 January 2024 23:45 (two months ago) link
tbh ive been recommended shadow and bone and never having read that first i think i recognise that sense
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 12 January 2024 00:01 (two months ago) link
From hazy memory there's a whole raft of characters in that show that aren't in the books at all, or at least have only minor roles in the books.
― groovypanda, Friday, 12 January 2024 06:54 (two months ago) link
https://64.media.tumblr.com/1efc76d916c5e80225690a7831b0a54f/d5c35c9a38beb922-2e/s540x810/3394d29c4212f5cc2c5c93768fe5a8f2f616388f.gif
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 02:51 (two weeks ago) link
Indeed
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 15:23 (two weeks ago) link
Lanfear?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 12 March 2024 19:23 (two weeks ago) link