Dekert was a Demicrant, not a Replicant
― Chris S, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Batty kills Tyrell, possibly Sebastian and Chew. May or may not have been involved in killing the passengers and crew of the shuttle, depending on whether or not you believe Bryant's briefing.
― the feeling is surreal (snoball), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
None of the main characters come across as particularly human apart from Rachel.
what if the whole thing was a unicorns dream
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Batty kills lots of people in cold blood because he is going nuts with panic. I always thought it characterization was kind of one of almost childish impulsiveness as he's confronted with his premature mortality.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
"Legend" is Ridley Scott's unicorn dream.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://aj.firefish.org/images/reviewfiles/legendcouple.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
ok but what if it was someone elses unicorn
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
C'mon, it's Tom Cruise's unicorn.
Anyway, I'm not arguing that Scott didn't mean the unicorn to imply Deckard is a replicant; he probably did. (My alternate theory was basically just a way to get around that directorial intent.) I'm just saying that it's a stupid decision, which undermines a central point in the movie just to add a "DO YOU SEE? HOW IRONIC!" ending to it, an ending that doesn't really thematically add anything to BR that wasn't already there.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
That's a different argument: does it work? But does the film indicate he's a replicant? Yes.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
THAT DRAEM MEAND DERKER IS A REPLICUNT CUZ OF EDWARD JAMES ALMOST MAKING TEH ORIGASMI UNIKORN AT TEH END HE KNOWS HIS D
is what I've always thought
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
Also his eyes does the glowy thing once in a way that had to have been intentional. Someone may have already said that. I didn't read the whole thread.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
eyes DO not does
have you guys seen the sequel
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
blade runner 2 electric sheepaloo?
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
Blade Runners?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
is the directors cut good i dont think ive seen it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, this. Batty kills in order to survive, and because he's (justifiably) angry at Tyrell for having such a short life. Deckard is much more detached, he doesn't seem to care about anything. IMO that's the whole point of the ending for Deckard; he realizes that a replicant, a being he used to "retire" for living, can be more alive than him, a human. That point is lost if Deckard is a replicant too.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
i think i fell asleep watching it once
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Blade Runner 2: Run Sharper
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Cool Blade Runnings?
― the feeling is surreal (snoball), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:27 PM (1 minute ago)
Did you dream about a unicorn?Tell me in single words only the good things that come to mind... about your mother.
― the feeling is surreal (snoball), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
i draemd of electric sheep no doubt
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
That's a different argument: does it work?
I think there might be some difference here between people who saw the original cut first, and those who saw director's cut first. I saw the OG cut (and read the book) long before watching the director's cut, and IMO the juxtaposition between the "human" Deckard and "artificial" replicants worked very well in that version, so the unicorn stuff in the director's cut felt like a pointless way of changing that. But maybe it's different if you're a bit younger and grew up with the director's cut?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure there are people 10 years younger than me to whom it feels stupid that Han Solo would have shot first instead of Greedo.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe EVERYONE in the movie is a replicant. Rachel, Deckard, Gaff, Tyrell, Sebastian, the lot of them. Makes u think.
― Flagpost Sitta (Phil D.), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
That point is lost if Deckard is a replicant too.
Not at all. He's just experiencing the same sort of panic. Am I human? Am I a replicant? Have I been killing my own kind all this time? Or, just as bad, have I been killing people who are as close to my own kind as possible, indistinguishable from me? It's one of those "what does it mean to be human" themes.
Hence rescuing Rachel, who might as well be a unicorn. Is he protecting her? Or merely running off with her?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
maybe theres no such thing as replicants
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
maybe the replicant exists in each of our hearts
― Chris S, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
If a replicant is a replicant of a replicant, is he a replicant or just replicated?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe Santa Claus is a replicant.
― the feeling is surreal (snoball), Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
according to sean young, harrison ford was very replicanty to her. i guess it does kind of come through in his performance.
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Have I been killing my own kind all this time? Or, just as bad, have I been killing people who are as close to my own kind as possible, indistinguishable from me? It's one of those "what does it mean to be human" themes.
But these same points are ones that a human Deckard probably considers too; he's already fallen in love with one replicant and seen the human kindness in another one. The "Deckard is a replicant" explanation doesn't add anything to the "what does it mean to be a human?" theme that wasn't there already in the original cut. Like I said, it just a pointless "ISN'T IT IRONIC?" moment tacked to the end.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
there's a lot more consonance in the movie, given harrison's cold performance, if you go with deckard being a replicant. him being a human would really be the twist ending.
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 3 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Ford's coldness is exactly why I think the juxtaposition between the human-but-detached Deckard and synthetic-but-burning-with-life replicants works. The director's cut takes that away, and if it makes viewers think "AHA! He was replicant all along, that's why he was so cold!", then that's kinda detrimental to the movies basic themes.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
there's never any m.night reveal, just a continuous stream of nudges that something is off about Deckard. i don't see how that's detrimental to the themes, since the themes mostly boil down to paranoia.
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
you know what i totally saw the directors cut in the theater i take it all back
― lag∞n, Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
My made-up theory/backstory is that Deckard is an advanced prototype replicant based off of that blade runner who gets blown away by Leon in the opening of the movie. He is being used to retire these runaway replicants as an experiment.
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Ford even resembles the other actor, sort of.
Like, he's basically an experimental "back-up" blade runner always ready to come out of retirement should he be needed.
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
When I first saw BR I was under the impression the whole plot of the movie was based around him being a replicant hiding his identity under the guise of a replicant hunter, so I was kind of disappointed at the lack of appropriate twists. I don't know where I got that idea to begin with, though, I might have just been transposing The Fugitive onto BR.
― Virtual Bart (EDB), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
He's searching for the one-armed mandroid
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
depends, what version u watchin doggie
theatrical: maybedirector's/final cut: almost certainly (unicorn dream)
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:23 AM (10 hours ago)
I only watch the international version, it's more violent plus it flashes the message "deckard est un humain" at the end
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Saturday, 3 March 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
Director's Cut ending is so boss, elevator doors shut IT'S OVER
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 3 March 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
BRYANT: There was an escape from the off-world colonies two weeks ago. Six replicants, three male, three female. They slaughtered twenty-three people and jumped a shuttle. An aerial patrol spotted the ship off the coast. No crew, no sight of them. Three nights ago they tried to break into Tyrell Corporation. One of them got fried running through an electrical field. We lost the others. On the possibility they might try to infiltrate his employees, I had Holden go over and run Voight-Kampff tests on the new workers. Looks like he got himself one.
three females: pris, zhora, "the one that got fried" OR rachael
three males: roy, leon, deckard
― the late great, Saturday, 3 March 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
Except that...
In 2007, Ridley Scott released "Blade Runner: The Final Cut", digitally remastered with improved visual and sound effects, and with numerous revisions to the 1992 Director's Cut. The more noticeable differences between The Director's Cut and The Final Cut include:
Bryant says that "2" replicants were fried in the electrical field (as opposed to the theatrical release and Director's Cut, where he says only 1 was killed).
So apparently the discrepancy between the numbers was a production mistake, not a hint at Deckard being a replicant. (Maybe there was supposed to be one more replicant character that was cut from the movie?)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 3 March 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
ORIGAZMI UNIKORN ftw
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 March 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
M4YB3 he was, maybe he wasn't. That's the whole point of most of PKD's work: what is human, what does it mean to be human? Would we be able to tell if we weren't? (oh, and how sexy are brown haired girls?)
― StanM, Saturday, 3 March 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
irl lols mh
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
if batty is battle droid, why he look like rutger hauer and not tetsuo iron man?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
lol if you read some of the interviews with David Peoples, one of the Blade Runner scriptwriters, the army in his movie Soldier is supposed to be replicants. They never really spell that out in the movie and they just seem like brainwashed military drones, but they reference some of the same battles as Roy Batty and there's a junked BR spinner vehicle in the background on a shot.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
technology improvements between 1989 and 2016 obv
xp
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
"lol if you read some of the interviews with David Peoples, one of the Blade Runner scriptwriters, the army in his movie Soldier is supposed to be replicants"
yikes--reading imdb trivia on soldier:
Among the garbage on the planet is the USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the F-117X Remora from Executive Decision, a spinner from Blade Runner, and a piece of the Lewis & Clark from Event Horizon. *Todd's service record, displayed on a computer screen, includes the following: - The battles of Tannhauser Gate and Shoulder of Orion (references to Blade Runner) - Receipt of the "Plissken Medal" (reference to Escape from New York and its sequel Escape from L.A.). Receipt of the "O'Neil Ring Award" (reference to Stargate (1994)) - Receipt of the "Cash Medal of Honor" (reference to Tango and Cash (1989)) Receipt of the "Maccready Cross" (reference to The Thing (1982)) - Receipt of the "Capt Ron Trophy" (reference to Captain Ron (1992)) - Receipt of the "McCaffrey Fire Award" (reference to Backdraft (1991)) - Receipt of the "Dexter Riley Award" (reference to The Strongest Man in the World (1975), Now You See Him, Now You Don't (1972), The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1969)) - Citations for the Nibian Moons Campaign, the Antares Maelstrom War and the War Of Perdition's Flames, locations referred to in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. *Todd's weapons training record lists the "USMC Smartgun" and "M41A pulse rifle" (references to Aliens) and the "DOOM MKIV BFG" - a reference to the computer game Doom.
― Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
Wait we don't have Captain Ron on the comedy poll, do we?!?
― valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 29 November 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
waht is happening
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 29 November 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link
DEK4R were cancelled just last week. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 29 November 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
ooh this is exciting I can't wait to find out
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 November 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
seven long years we've waited
https://i.imgur.com/xrNiUjn.jpg
― calstars, Friday, 29 November 2019 02:32 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tz5ykjis2k
― wasdnuos (abanana), Friday, 29 November 2019 03:36 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 30 November 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
worth waiting for
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 30 November 2019 00:08 (four years ago) link
Origasmi?
― calstars, Saturday, 30 November 2019 00:21 (four years ago) link
He knows his D
― calstars, Saturday, 30 November 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link
origasmi unicorn ftwworth the 7 year wait imo
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 November 2019 05:17 (four years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:05 PM (seven years ago)
this is so otm btw, probably one of my favorite movie endings ever
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 30 November 2019 05:37 (four years ago) link
Edward James Almost
laughed too hard at this
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Monday, 2 December 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link
glad we've had 2049 since this poll was started to offer the definitive answer on this issue, which is of course 'if you're asking this question you're missing the point you fucking rube'
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 December 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link