Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

^^^^

i can convince myself either way on that one. whatever is in their way in a given minute turns into the greatest threat to freedom ever p quickly.

but since their deal is and increasingly will be about change prevention i think iatee is probably right.

change prevention not including taking a wrecking ball to the EPA there?

gutting the epa wouldn't be worth risking the kinda things democrats could do when they got 51 senators again

Sure sure I agree, I'm just saying that they're talking a lot of change, even if it's just muddleheaded change 'back'.

words cannot express my joy at this announcement

^^^represented the district I grew up in the entire time I lived there

hey look a nazi

http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/republican-congressional-candidate-says-holocaust-never-happened#c

lol I really thought you would be exaggerating

I hate Illinois Nazis.

Isn't that where George Lincoln Rockwell was from?

turns out not. still, tarfumes otm

anyway, shit. brown over warrren by 10

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2012/02/new-poll-shows-2.php

maybe it's for the best. i've been getting really concerned that senator warren would be a disappointment at best and a disaster at worst. not to mention she's been doing some serious rmde concern-trolling lately w/ her email blast about how ted kennedy's name shouldn't be used in deference to the family.

Just curious how she would be a "disaster", and does that mean worse than Brown?

Lots of folks in Massachusetts had never heard of her until recently it seems:

Warren's visibility has climbed. Among a broader sample of 500 residents, 40 percent in October said they had never heard of her; that number fell to 22 in the recent survey. Her favorable ratings moved in smaller increments, from 28 percent to 40 percent.

there is no 'maybe it's for the best' when it comes to losing a senate seat in the most liberal state in the country

*sigh*

Yep, read about that in tpm . Amazing

offending e-mail/joke already in the "Is this racist?" thread

pretty much i agree w/ the argument put forth here:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/07/why-liberals-are-lame-part-3-why-a-warren-run-for-senate-is-a-bad-idea.html

i think warren is a unique talent and I worry that she'll be wasted, and maybe permanently so, if she becomes senator.

i pretty much don't agree with that at all. i like yves smith plenty but i don't think her political acumen is all that

I'm no Cap'n Save Obama but I found a lot of generalizations in that piece. Besides, if we mean utility I prefer Warren in the Senate, in which she'll have a modicum of influence, than outside kicking against the Obama pricks.

yeah I think a reliably left wing and well-spoken senator
(in one of the only states where that's 'safe') is worth more than some symbolic figure. she will have plenty of political independence as a senator and gets about as much camera time as she wants.

Frankly, in an era of anti-contraception, anti-choice fervor, another woman in the Senate canot but be an excellent thing if no other reason than to publicly shame some of the shitheads presently therein.

Name a progressive Senator who has been able to do much to champion progressive ideas there? Sanders? Franken? Whitehouse? Sherrod Brown? I love all those guys, and like Sanders and especially Franken, Warren would presumably be able to leverage her public support to push some ideas through. But are any of them more effective at championing progressive values than Warren was before her White House gig, when she regularly appeared on the media and excoriated the banks in terms that made sense to real people?

I do not agree with this. There is strength in congressional numbers, that could help all those named folks, plus I don't think the comparison between their prior effectiveness and hers conveys how effective she would be in the future if elected.

Warren would presumably be able to leverage her public support to push some ideas through. But are any of them more effective at championing progressive values than Warren was before her White House gig, when she regularly appeared on the media and excoriated the banks in terms that made sense to real people?

Classic bad political writing: mitigate the punch of your concession with a flabby adverb ("presumably") or pronoun ("some"), then follow it with a rhetorical question.

from an older article about why Brown is ahead:

Nearly two-thirds of independents also believe there is a benefit to having one Democratic and one Republican senator representing Massachusetts. As a whole, 60% of general election voters agreed that split party representation was beneficial.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/17/news/la-pn-poll-scott-brown-leads-elizabeth-warren-in-massachusetts-20120217

I bet those same folks who like split party representation also complain that Congress is not getting anything done

god what a bunch of morons

it's massachusetts, some of them are literally morans probably

I think people are pretty slow when it comes to understanding how american politics has changed over the years, there was a time when divided government meant 'compromise', it does not anymore

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sen-hatch-obama-traded-hardhat-for-hipster-fedora-and-double-skim-latte/

“President Obama has traded in the hard hat and lunch bucket category of the Democratic Party for the hipster fedora and a double skim latte,” he said. “The president is putting the preferred lifestyle policies of wealthy urbanites ahead of the needs of blue-collar and union workers and middle-class Americans.”

c'mon, nobody puts their lunch in a bucket

Nobody puts lunchy in a bucket

Gingrich puts his ice in a bucket.

I'm sure Hatch knows construction workers. Who are you to doubt he knows how they eat?

Romney knows ceos of construction companies.

the more important question is who told Orrin what a hipster is

orrin's down with the kids

that descrip is str8 beatniks

when in doubt, stick with the hipsters equivalent from your formative years

http://www.alafista.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/images/december10/149.jpg

why do GOPers hate lattes so

church of jesus christ of latte-day saint

It would be so cool if Obama actually wore a hipster fedora.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cqSebcIcKxQ/TPp6MQoYYHI/AAAAAAAABOU/24XGjN-WgQE/s1600/Fly-Guy-600x300.jpg

http://superhumanoids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/obama_youth_04.jpg

This was posted on the Rush L. thread but thought I'd post it here also:

The GOP’s top megaphone viciously attacked law student and women’s health advocate Sandra Fluke on air.

First he called her a “slut” and a “prostitute.” Then added, “So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives ... We want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”

he wants to watch them purchase contraceptives?

The pill, condoms, they're all the same.

viagra...

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/virginia-court-rejects-climate-skeptics-demand-for-records/

The Virginia Supreme Court today ruled that Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, a climate change skeptic, may not use a Virginia fraud law to obtain from the University of Virginia the private communication records of a professor formerly employed there with an expertise on climate change (who Cuchinelli believes used fraudulent data).

The ACLU of Virginia had filed an amicus brief with the high court arguing that the constitutionally-protected right of academic freedom should prevent Cuccinelli from obtaining the records.