rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

"I don't see people as color, just in images of black and white."

Whiteness is not imagined against blackness explicitly; whiteness is imagined against "non-whiteness", which usually defaults to "the darkest person in the neighborhood whom I'm not used to seeing around all of the time".

yeah i should have said that more precisely. whiteness v blackness is historically freighted in the american context.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

circling closer to what i mean, i feel like anti-black racist ideology necessitated the birth of "whiteness" in america.

at the same time there also is a (multiple) 'white culture'(s) which 'whiteness' is tied to (and the aforementioned literal 'white-ness')

basically this is a subject for which we need more words

I said something inadvertently racist yesterday and I felt bad about it

but it is always going to be difficult to be precise about whiteness as long as it's both an observable reality about a person's, i don't know, "phenotype" and an imaginary category of racelessness deployed in racist ideology.

xp

yeah but all those multiple white cultures get collapsed into one when posited against 'non-whiteness' xp

I said something inadvertently racist yesterday and I felt bad about it

I could post a dozen face-palms that I've pulled on myself in the past month.

is anyone talking about this subject now itt "white"

haha sorry

so obsessed with whites!

tell your story, please

I'm scared 2

guys this is nice and all but i don't "see race"

I'm scared 2

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:40 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i say a lot of racist things, so theoretically i could keep you company, but i immediately block them out so as to keep up my busy schedule of self-righteousness :/

A person only has much time.

"I'm racist btw"

by and large the only people who are black in the few block radius surrounding my apt building are the pimps who stand outside, they moved in about a year ago after all the salvadorian pimps suddenly disappeared, and I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in my building and was all "holy shit did you hear those pimps screaming at each other earlier" and he was like "nah dude it was just this black couple outside having a fight or something"

you…. monster.

Bet I can beat it.

I dedicate the turn this thread is about to take to horseshoe

guys? let's not do this.

guys?

rolling "I am Racist" thread

cool stories, bros, but...

yeah no I know

So I'm at the county fair and they're having this barbecue eating contest...

ah fuck

no

No, I'm kidding. My county doesn't have a fair.

can we talk about the time my father was running for re-election as school board president and he got anonymous phone calls from people disagreeing with his policies and telling him he was a "stupid mick"

sure

were they at least well thought out disagreements

there were multiple calls from various people. not insulting as much as a *~~wee bit~~* scary.

i have been told by white people that they don't even think of me as not being white before and i always think, you're lying.

...i feel like what they mean is "i don't group you in my mind with scary blacks and latinos" which is NOT THE SAME THING

― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

nothing to contribute, just horseshoe otm. perceived difference is definitely a sliding scale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0W2Qlmnjm8

must admit, that's the first thing I've seen that makes the help look like it's conceivably watchable

i don't think i ever mentioned this but when i was at rock the bells last year, i found a hardback copy of "the help" (minus the dustjacket but otherwise in perfect condition) lying on the ground in the middle of a field. I mailed it to my mother.

the selective appearance of feminism in conservative rhetoric whenever islam comes into view is seriously the most annoying thing

― goole, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:51 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

real talk

also horseshoe is p much always otm

the way they stand up for gay rights in the same context is similarly touching

mostly tho the bizarreness is because of the conflation of neoconservatism with social conservatism in the Republican party, right?

the (un?)intended implication of the sum of those arguments is that the modern west has arrived at something close to the exactly perfect status of women. feminism too hot, islam too cold, women voting and driving but making 70c on a man's dollar, just right.

well we also had the exactly perfect status of women 50 years ago or 20 years ago. and, assuming things trend in positive directions, we will 20 years from now.

I mean 'protecting the present' is just an inherent part of conservativism, ya know

both of you otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEi5Dpq6zs

Should note this is part of a full show dealing with bigotry, which I haven't seen, and ymmv with the 'jokes'/character on display here but it makes a similar point to some of the above discussion, might be worth a watch.

One time I accidentally did a very racist stand-up comedy karaoke bit.

I was at karaoke w/ pretty much the whole ChiLX crew (La Lechera, Jenny, Jeff, jaymc, Eazy, et al.). I don't sing at karaoke, but I saw that they had a bunch of stand up comedy tracks and I selected "Celebrity Humor."

When my turn came I was confused b/c the jokes were about race. I was confused and also horrified because it never occurred to me that I could stop what was happening and I couldn't believe that I "had to" do this bit.

Most of the jokes were relatively mild - e.g., the Irish sure have a lot of kids, Italians sure are Catholic - but some were worse (Chinese couple's misunderstanding re "69" being a sex act/General Tso's Chicken).

I interrupted myself a couple times to say "Holy shit! This is terrible!" and finally when it was almost over, it dawned on me that the show didn't have to go on. I think I announced the mix-up and tried to erase my performance with babbling.

Then I went back to the bar and chugged a bottle of beer, which turned out to not to be the one I had been drinking, but one the stranger standing next to me had set down for a second.

The karaoke operator apologized like crazy and bought me a drink. He said he didn't even know that he had any joke tracks, which is plausible since they were a small section and not something anyone would choose on purpose - stuff like mother-in-law jokes, sports jokes, and "Jewish humor".

most non-racists sing songs at karaoke

"Deutschland Uber Alles" wasn't on the list, Je55e? :)

really want to try racist comedy karaoke

saw richard herring's hitler mustache show live a few years back and trust me, its not racist and he's not racist.