rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

all i'm saying is that there's a non-empirical component to the imagination of whiteness

okay maybe I should get lunch because I don't understand the point iatee is attempting to make at all

and that in america "whiteness" is imagined against blackness, basically. which affects the history of how non-african/non-african american groups get racialized.

Dan, i think he was arguing against my cultural studies-ish take on race, that there is something real and observable about people's perceptions of race.

which is true, but people like to think of it as stabler and more empirical than it is.

don't think asian americans are viewed by white people as white

― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:43 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is true - couldn't tell you how many times I've been asked "oh, so when did you move to america?" ffs I was born here.

although you'd have to ask a third or fourth gen AA to be sure. wonder what stories gary locke has to tell

I guess it's a natural question to ask when you own up to the fact that you have never watched an episode of dawson's creek in your life

yeah I think it's different in california actually, like I have been in groups that included asian people and the group was referred to as 'white people'

haha i put that a lot more mildly than i meant it. i have been told by white people that they don't even think of me as not being white before and i always think, you're lying.

xxp

i feel like what they mean is "i don't group you in my mind with scary blacks and latinos" which is NOT THE SAME THING

lmao there is nothing funnier than white people fronting like they are not constantly thinking about race

Whiteness is not imagined against blackness explicitly; whiteness is imagined against "non-whiteness", which usually defaults to "the darkest person in the neighborhood whom I'm not used to seeing around all of the time".

xp: those last two horseshoe posts OTM

"I don't even think of you as non-white!" is such dumb, loaded, offensive bullshit

yeah horseshoe is killing it itt

Whiteness is not imagined against blackness explicitly; whiteness is imagined against "non-whiteness", which usually defaults to "the darkest person in the neighborhood whom I'm not used to seeing around all of the time".

yeah i should have said that more precisely. whiteness v blackness is historically freighted in the american context.

i have a lot of thoughts, guys. and a lot of coffee.

plus my "someone is talking about muslims on ilx" alarm went off

where's louis when you need him

"I don't see people as color, just in images of black and white."

Whiteness is not imagined against blackness explicitly; whiteness is imagined against "non-whiteness", which usually defaults to "the darkest person in the neighborhood whom I'm not used to seeing around all of the time".

yeah i should have said that more precisely. whiteness v blackness is historically freighted in the american context.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

circling closer to what i mean, i feel like anti-black racist ideology necessitated the birth of "whiteness" in america.

at the same time there also is a (multiple) 'white culture'(s) which 'whiteness' is tied to (and the aforementioned literal 'white-ness')

basically this is a subject for which we need more words

I said something inadvertently racist yesterday and I felt bad about it

but it is always going to be difficult to be precise about whiteness as long as it's both an observable reality about a person's, i don't know, "phenotype" and an imaginary category of racelessness deployed in racist ideology.

xp

yeah but all those multiple white cultures get collapsed into one when posited against 'non-whiteness' xp

I said something inadvertently racist yesterday and I felt bad about it

I could post a dozen face-palms that I've pulled on myself in the past month.

is anyone talking about this subject now itt "white"

haha sorry

so obsessed with whites!

tell your story, please

I'm scared 2

guys this is nice and all but i don't "see race"

I'm scared 2

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:40 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i say a lot of racist things, so theoretically i could keep you company, but i immediately block them out so as to keep up my busy schedule of self-righteousness :/

A person only has much time.

"I'm racist btw"

by and large the only people who are black in the few block radius surrounding my apt building are the pimps who stand outside, they moved in about a year ago after all the salvadorian pimps suddenly disappeared, and I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in my building and was all "holy shit did you hear those pimps screaming at each other earlier" and he was like "nah dude it was just this black couple outside having a fight or something"

you…. monster.

Bet I can beat it.

I dedicate the turn this thread is about to take to horseshoe

guys? let's not do this.

guys?

rolling "I am Racist" thread

cool stories, bros, but...

yeah no I know

So I'm at the county fair and they're having this barbecue eating contest...

ah fuck

no

No, I'm kidding. My county doesn't have a fair.

can we talk about the time my father was running for re-election as school board president and he got anonymous phone calls from people disagreeing with his policies and telling him he was a "stupid mick"

sure

were they at least well thought out disagreements

there were multiple calls from various people. not insulting as much as a *~~wee bit~~* scary.