MADONNA - MDNA (2012)

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Was Ray of Light the last really "unique" thing she did?

"die another day"!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:08 (six years ago) Permalink

you guys, this new song isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination but it's a hell of a lot better than "Give Me All Your Luvin'"

also some dude OTM even though I loved American Life

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:12 (six years ago) Permalink

Not to get all rockisty or anything, I think part of the problem is that in Madonna's prime the radio still played standard ... songs, for lack of a better word. Things that could be played on piano or guitar. But the last few years the pop music pendulum has swung over to clubby anonymity, which is fine ... for the clubs. But on the radio there's not a lot of room for songs without a 4/4 stomp and a stupid hook. It's a shame Madonna is buying into that, but I don't see what choice she has, if she wants to get played. Ray of Light and Music were sort of a transitional hybrids allowed by the advent of "OMG dance music electronics!" (see also: Moby, Prodigy, anything with OMG electronics!). But now we're on the other side of that. Just hypothesizing, but top 40 has never seemed more ... digital disco.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:13 (six years ago) Permalink

you realize it's kind of silly to say music driven by MIDI synths can't be played on a piano, right

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:16 (six years ago) Permalink

it is a shame that the woman behind "burning up" and "holiday" has been reduced to digital disco

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:23 (six years ago) Permalink

At this point in her career, better this than jazz standards.

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:33 (six years ago) Permalink

More the case that her most comfortable sound is now pop's default setting and instead of accentuating the differences the new single merges with everything else, which makes her sound like one of many. Stuart Price's Confessions production is "digital disco" but it doesn't sound like David Guetta and this one does.

Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:36 (six years ago) Permalink

i don't even care enough about her to want to defend her but it seems off to not accept she's had club music from the start

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:43 (six years ago) Permalink

(as opposed to "buying into it" now)

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:43 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost Anything can be played on piano or guitar - notes are notes and chords are chords - but it's not really ideal for this sort of thing. It's all about the thump and the rhythm/repetition; the robotic-ness is its appeal, not the melody. (/geir)

Just saying, you can sing Madonna's best stuff in the shower. Or in the car. Or wherever. The newer stuff is subservient to the beat. Which isn't a bad thing! But there are many people who do it better than Madonna.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't see the distinction. You can't really sing Vogue or Justify My Love in the shower. She's always had club tracks which don't make sense detached from the beat.

Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:53 (six years ago) Permalink

I agree with that (though you can totally sing the chorus to Vogue!). But I'd still say songs like that are the clubby outliers of her ouevre. Lately she's been overtly playing catch-up with club trends rather than originating them, and the look doesn't suit her.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:54 (six years ago) Permalink

the only reason you can't sing Vogue in the shower is because no one remembers how the verses go

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 14:57 (six years ago) Permalink

You can't really sing Vogue or Justify My Love in the shower.

believe me, you most certainly can.

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:01 (six years ago) Permalink

though you can't really sing Justify My Love at all

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:01 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost They goes like this: dooby-doo, dooby-doo-doo-do-do-doo-do, dooby-do-do-doo.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:02 (six years ago) Permalink

dooby-doo, dooby-doo-doo-do-do-doo-do, dooby-do-do-doo
(that's what it's for)

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:07 (six years ago) Permalink

You do the Lenny Kravitz doh-doh-doh-dohhhh part and then you pick up the shower nozzle like a mic and say "Love me! That's Right! Love me!"

Fonz Hour (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:13 (six years ago) Permalink

You guys sound like Paul fucking McCartney.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:27 (six years ago) Permalink

Thumbs aloft!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

How complex does a hook have to be before you can sing it in the shower?

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 16:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Exactly 39% complex.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:00 (six years ago) Permalink

I just mean I have no difficulty imagining LMFAO lyrics can be heard in your more tragic dorm bathrooms. The problem is less that new music is unsuitable to Madonna's gifts so much as Madonna's new music is tired. Cher pulled off digital disco ten years ago.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:04 (six years ago) Permalink

If Madonna tried to play "Into The Groove" on guitar it would sound like "I Deserve It."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:24 (six years ago) Permalink

Madonna's gift, as such, used to be (besides not sounding tired) not sounding like she was breathlessly, belatedly playing catch-up.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:29 (six years ago) Permalink

I just mean I have no difficulty imagining LMFAO lyrics can be heard in your more tragic dorm bathrooms. The problem is less that new music is unsuitable to Madonna's gifts so much as Madonna's new music is tired. Cher pulled off digital disco ten years ago.

― da croupier, Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:04 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've never been happier to be done school.

I Fucked Up (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:21 (six years ago) Permalink

isn't "tragic dorm bathrooms" redundant

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:22 (six years ago) Permalink

a girl gone WILD
a good girl gone WILD

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 10:58 (six years ago) Permalink

But on the radio there's not a lot of room for songs without a 4/4 stomp and a stupid hook. It's a shame Madonna is buying into that, but I don't see what choice she has, if she wants to get played.

Seriously? It's Madonna, she'll get played whatever, she could afford to take more risks than pretty much anyone else. I haven't heard any of the new stuff but if it does just sound like Guetta-house then I'd put that down to lack of imagination rather than anything else. See also Hard Candy.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 11:01 (six years ago) Permalink

there's a good argument to be made that this new single is the worst thing that madonna has ever committed to record

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 11:08 (six years ago) Permalink

IIRC Like A Virgin was half amazing singles and half unlistenable garbage.

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:01 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah. It was her weakest album for a couple of decades.

prolego, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:10 (six years ago) Permalink

surm won't tolerate any dissent re "Shooby Dooby Doo."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:28 (six years ago) Permalink

there's a good argument to be made that this new single is the worst thing that madonna has ever committed to record

"Revolver" pissed me off way more. Plus Evita (not really her fault).

dead-trius (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:45 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't understand how this new boring song can be viewed as being worse than the actively terrible song she released right before it, not to mention the impressive string of drippy clunkers she's released throughout her entire career

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:47 (six years ago) Permalink

The worst thing about it is how it disinfects the word "erotic."

dead-trius (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:52 (six years ago) Permalink

Not even sure if it's better than the Paris Hilton sexting song.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:56 (six years ago) Permalink

I will never know about that because srsly fuck seeking out a Paris Hilton song, life is far too fucking short for that

Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:57 (six years ago) Permalink

the song is actually seriously p amazing, but mostly because it was already a song that these people just had Paris re-do vocals for

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:13 (six years ago) Permalink

if she was gonna go this route, why didn't she just pay for the full max martin spa treatment. i mean, go to the source and don't mess around. even britney would have turned up her nose at the girls gone wild song.

scott seward, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:27 (six years ago) Permalink

there's a very condescending "meet them halfway" attitude madonna seems to have to catering to the charts that more and more ends up at the exact wrong halfway point

DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:13 (six years ago) Permalink

Between the Super Bowl and this track I am p convinced she is just going through the motions w the bare minimum of effort. Who produced this? Maybe the Orbit tracks will redeem her?

I have one thing to say: "Roxanne Shanté" (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:23 (six years ago) Permalink

Most of her efforts these days lie in film-making.

prolego, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:31 (six years ago) Permalink

"Efforts."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:52 (six years ago) Permalink

Most of her efforts lie in trying to physically turn back the hands of time. Which is her prerogative, but she should't pretend her music is nearly as impressive as her physique.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 20:53 (six years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't want Madonna to get a big head.

da croupier, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:08 (six years ago) Permalink

there's a good argument to be made that this new single is the worst thing that madonna has ever committed to record

― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:08 AM (Yesterday)

I always think Jimmy Jimmy is the very worst thing she's ever recorded. Every year or so I listen to it and crrrringe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgL3A1VRSWI

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:13 (six years ago) Permalink

oh it's cute, at worst negligible.

Plus, it was buried on the second side.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:19 (six years ago) Permalink

you have to admit that madonna keeps up with linguistic fashion for using "punk rock" as an adjective. i'm serious about this.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 2 March 2012 08:47 (six years ago) Permalink


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