Best Blue Öyster Cult Album

Right -- Helen Wheels is the Manic Panic connection.

Excellent point about Devo. Dominance and Submission does indeed have that uptight/subversive vibe. BOC is not really subversive though as you say. Another thing that's interesting about the early reception of BOC is that XGau's reviews suggest that all of the iconography and imagery (sci fi, fascist, what have you) is originally taken seriously, but as of Agents of Fortune becomes part of a joke. I've always taken it the other way. It's with AoF that they become committed to the joke -- literally making "a career of 'evil,'" if you will.

And yes as mentioned much further above, Pearlman produced Give Em Enough Rope, which is why many diehard Clash fans don't like the album.

which puts them in the company of the Ramones as Long Island/Queens Jews flirting with Nazi iconography

^i think Bloom is the only Jew in the group. Then again, ME 262 is his song.

man these guys need a box set like the new judas priest one

i think BOC is deeply subversive but not in a "punk way"...my belief that they are the Steely Dan of heavy metal was somewhat vindicated by a pdf of the Popoff book i downloaded where Buck talks about the making of Cultosaurus Erectus and how he had gotten a Steely Dan songbook and was studying their "advanced" chords and stuff

also FYI the Doors were punk

gtfo

here's my case

i'm working on a theory that the doors literally invented punk and prog, check back for more later!

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:02 PM (8 minutes ago)

but basically:

i saw this interview with johnnny ramone and i thought it was interesting when the interviewer asked him about bands he liked, he said the Doors were the only good american band of the 1960s, said he worshiped them..

i know iggy idolized the doors too, so Johnny + Iggy = the founders of punk to me...

the doors had that darkness and artiness and also a real confrontational vibe that seems to prefigure punk in a lot of ways

at the same time, i can't imagine, for instance, the full on organ workout version of light my fire, with its jazz/classical aspirations, couldn't have been a major influence on the first-gen prog dudes like rick wakeman, ELP, yes etc

so the doors basically invented everything

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:37 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh yeah, see the beginning of Legs McNeil's amazing "Please Kill Me" on how the early proto-punks were deeply influenced by the Doors. Also Patti Smith's new book.

i see the doors as having "invented" romantic gothiness in a rock context. can see why the darkness of that might have inspired a lot of punks, but i don't know that that = being punk. interesting idea, though.

i think BOC is deeply subversive but not in a "punk way"...

yeah, that's a good point. their subversion wasn't aggressive, direct, critical. more satire and displacement. helped build the strangeness i was talking about earlier (and the strangeness-in-familiarity that marco mentioned).

I dig the Doors as proto-punk for sure, you can't hear "Gimme Danger" and not recognize Iggy was taking notes from J.M. but I'm kind of notoriously orthodox about genres I guess - your band does "Touch Me" with strings 'n' shit? then yall aren't punk imo*
*"in my orthodoxy"

right now i just got chills from "Live For Me" off of Heaven Forbid the 98 BOC album...it's about someones brother who was killed in a car accident, the chorus is a bit cheesy but it's got that crystal sad buck dharma verses

I dig the Doors as proto-punk for sure, you can't hear "Gimme Danger" and not recognize Iggy was taking notes from J.M. but I'm kind of notoriously orthodox about genres I guess - your band does "Touch Me" with strings 'n' shit? then yall aren't punk imo*
*"in my orthodoxy"

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:21 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i'm the opposite really, like i see punk as a long-form narrative of the late 20th century, basically i see everything i like as punk: free jazz, weirdo hard rock, early hip hop, the doors, CCR, the stooges, PIL...like the byron coley/mike watt definition of punk

So m@tt you've read the Popoff now? Thoughts? I'm wanting to buy it...

nah not the book, i just found like one chapter of the book in PDF form somehwere, it was the chapter on the making of cultosaurus erectus, didn't seem like super well written but interesting and lots on inside details, think i'm gonna buy the e-book version...shit is way too expensive on ebay

Yeah I'ma ebook it too, the $ goes right to the author it seems.

just bought this cuz what the heck. 313 pages! never read popoff before...

His Sabbath book is great.

or i should say "books", he had one that was full of memorabilia along with the text, plus one he called a "FAQ".

big "Never Say Die" fan, which means he's good with me.

listening to heaven forbid, it's not bad!

OMG

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3353/3453108429_ec1068d62e_z.jpg

Filthy McNasty's looks like a good place.

AGGRESSION UNCHALLENGED IS AGGRESSION UNLEASHED!

Thats such a beautiful fkin picture on so many levels

america was such a beautiful country once :(

I miss the old Sunset Strip... That Secret Treaties billboard would have been across the street from the original Tower Records and a couple blocks down from Ben Franks.

Filthy McNasty's looks like a good place.

Yup. Filthy McNasty's eventually became the infamous Viper Room where River Phoenix, etc.

I probably would have liked it better as McNasty's

Any NYC ilxorz wanna go see them at Bergen Performing Arts Center on the 21st?

i have tickets purchased to a slightly less upscale venue, but the cult nonetheless! (and also apparently they are suffering the indignity of opening for kansas)

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I can't tell you how happy I am seeing this thread in SNA again!

BÖC at the Ho-Chunk? That's like just up the road from me! (Leave before Kansas, get on down Hwy 12 before it gets too dark and arcane out there.)

haha yeah what's Ho-Chunk like (best casino name ever!)...we actually are driving down from Minneapolis, about 4 hours, so we gotta couple double rooms at the casino itself and are just planning on getting tanked during Kansas and leaving if they are too lame...actually though Kansas has a surprising amount of original members (3/5)...though a little sad one of the greatest 70s rock bands has to open for one of the corniest

hope they play the emerald queen casino this time around. they did a year or so back, but i couldn't make it.

also given the May 19th date we are hoping for a timely addition of "Last Days of May" to the set list!

Hey guys apparently Kansas still do some of the prog epics, not sure if I'm selling it to you here tbh. At least BOC aren't supporting Styx.

honestly, just because we were totally cool with going to see BOC alone I'm kinda geeked to see Kansas in a weird way, though I hope it means that BOC doesn't get a short set :(

They did "Last Days of May" when I saw them a year or two ago, it was great. So they probably still do it.

cool, yeah from setlists i've seen they definitely seem to do a lot of "real headz know the deal" type songs still

I don't think I've ever seen them *not* do "Last Days of May", it's a Buck showpiece

Last time I saw them (2010 -- really still bummed that I didn't see them at all in 2011) the opener was Foghat. Who had 1 of 4 original members, the drummer . The rest of the band was made up of the bassist who joined in 1976 (so okay, that is kinda old school), the guitarist from Wild Cherry of "Funky White Boy" fame, and another singer/guitarist who had played on some late-70s Ted Nugent albs (not Derek St. Holmes -- some other guy)

and they were actually pretty good!

really like Foghat but it's not that hard to recreate their songs, pretty simple so you could plug a lot of people in there and they'd still be okay

Ho-Chunk is probably not the MOST depressing Indian casino. So there's that.

oh my God they're playing in Newton, IA

fucking Newton

the guitarist from Wild Cherry

In Foghat?!!?!?!

That is so wrong - Paul Rodgers/Queen-wrong.

"Grand Funk, featuring Punky Meadows"

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hmm itd be nice to go see them in IL on May 18th

well, as it turns out, I'll be there!

Ho-Chunk is probably not the MOST depressing Indian casino. So there's that.

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haha high praise! i've been to some pretty depressing ones in northern iowa

still excited!