Know Me.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
The dark, deep cello undercurrent tangoing with synths in The Fall is so awesome
― HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
xpost Um, yes and no. Most of the album is a bit deeper? But to varying extents, like "Know Me" is at one end and "Interstellar" and "The Fall" are at the other. She's not really sure if she wants to be Laurie Anderson making shoegaze or Susanna Hoff making shoegaze or somewhere in between.
If you like "Interstellar" I think you should check the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIIgc9Cf_TY
― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
i am not enjoying this album at all, it sounds like the kind of stuff careless talk costs lives writers swore up and down was "pop" (maybe even "perfect pop") a decade ago. dull arrangements, horrible sounding drums that feel really relentless by halfway through and ugh god the disinterested ba-ba-bas on "gospel/grace" elicited such a side-eye from me
stop recommending bad indie tim!
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
perhaps i should have noted that gr80 recommended it and avoided accordingly
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
and it's really really 80s and not in a good way
yeah i think this is kinda dull too... "pair of wings" is dope tho
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
haha i just came back to say i'd got to the first song i'd be willing to hear again and it was "pair of wings"
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
Is that vinyl purchasable anywhere? Google only comes back with ILX and the Slumberland Tumblr pre-order page (where it's long gone!)...
http://www.slumberlandrecords.com/catalog/show/205?ret=catalog
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
Oh dang! Glad I got one...
Notes: The color vinyl edition is SOLD OUT.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
at its best this album is like a really rudimentary take on SVIIB
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
Uh, Frankie and SVIIB are each a different taking a different approach to emulating a 25 year-old sound. To say this record is a version of their sound is sorta ridiculous.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
sorry for that cluttered syntax...thinking WHILE typing isn't my strong suit.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it's because you constantly phrase this as "UGH YOU LIKE THEM? WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ___?" it's pretty annoying and based on this weird concept that one band/artist can displace another band/artist.
Quoted from n/a in the Grimes thread, but I feel like lex is doing this exact same thing again today with Frankie Rose and SVIIB.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
You are turning into a master of reading things that people never actually said, Jon.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
Uh, this is exactly what lex said itt:
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
can we not turn every thread into an analysis of how Lex reacts to music
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
Sure, if lex could just leave it at "I don't like this" for once.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
i think there's a pretty clear difference between a general statement of "band x does this better" and the type of browbeating lex can get into, but who cares
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
"UGH YOU LIKE THEM? WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ___?"
I was that guy for a long, long time. Then I realized it's more fun to let people find things on their own and too much work for me to be everyone's tourguide through the city of music.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, I really like the two tracks I've heard from this. Pretty encouraging after how disappointing her last one was.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Saying "this is a really rudimentary take on SVIIB" is clearly not the same as "why aren't you listening to SBIIV?", especially given that School of Seven Bells are much more popular on these boards.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
can we also not turn every thread into "let's jump up and down on Jon"
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
I am v. excited about getting this record in the mail soon.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
Matt, thats not what I was trying to say. I was pointing out how lex always seems to frame his dislike for one band through the frame of reference of another band.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
who gives a shit, it's pretty common
― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have a strong opinion on this album. I really liked "Interstellar" and everything since has been a pleasant indistinguishable smear. I wouldn't be mad if I bought this but I wouldn't feel particularly compelled to play it.
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
To clear things up, Frankie Rose is a pretty faithful take on Lush/etc. where SVIIB is a stylized and grand take on Lush/etc. with a bit more intricacy in the songwriting and arrangements. One thing is not better than the other and most people can appreciate both.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
the kind of stuff careless talk costs lives writers swore up and down was "pop"
I have to say that while I probably have a much higher tolerance for such stuff than you, Lex, this tendency in indie folks to use "pop" to describe indie that's non-aggressive/has a few hooks/is generally in major keys has always driven me nuts
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
Being sung by girls and having vaguely Spectorish production tends to help too. Bonus points for including the Be My Baby drum intro.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
but it's not really weird that vague meaningless genre names mean different things to different people in different contexts
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
no, but indie "pop"-ists always struck me as a little disingenuous about it. "pop" is "something that has a hope in hell of making the singles chart imo." OTOH that means that eg much hip hop is pop now - I guess I have a real problem with making "pop" mean "in a musical style" instead of "in accord with current popular taste." Hence the Association are more properly called "60s pop," etc
obThread, I listened to some of the Frankie Rose (I love the name "Frankie Rose" to pieces) and it seemed fine enough but in these times of reduced listening time for me I take a pretty cold "let's be honest, you don't care about this" attitude to anything that doesn't really grab the hell out of me
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I have a real problem with making "pop" mean "in a musical style" instead of "in accord with current popular taste."
ha you must spend a lot of time being irritated by this since that's basically the opposite of what "pop" means these days. a genre of stuff that's just "in accord with current popular taste" instead of being based on what the music sounds like is a pretty weird concept imo
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
Well firstly 'pop' isn't really meaningless or even particularly vague, although it can be all-encompassing. In this sort of context, especially with "perfect pop" the writer is usually making a value judgement that harks back to some kind of imagined golden era they weren't around for (usually 60s girl groups but it's being increasingly co-opted by the 'I only like 80s Madonna' crew).
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://991.com/newGallery/Nick-Lowe-Pure-Pop-For-Now-295792.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh6i9sVoNi1qzado8o1_500.gif
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
XD
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
oh sorry it's not vague, just all-encompassing
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
pleasant indistinguishable smear
a couple maybe-standout songs on here but this is a good description.
― skip, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think this has the distinctiveness of Lush; the Susanna Hoffs reference upthread rings much truer to me (another thought I had during the more uptempo numbers was a murkier take on "Crash" by The Primitives).
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
ooooh when they say "perfect pop" that is the worst. "Alphabet Street" is perfect pop not the Boo Radleys fcol
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
What I was saying was that pop encompasses most genres by 'pop' has certain connotations - ie if you hear 'pop-metal' you know it's probably not going to sound like Slayer.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
um these days that is probably exactly what pop metal is going to sound like
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Haha forgive my metallic ignorance.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
Is this album not significantly more experimental than School of Seven Bells? Not a virtue in itself, obviously, but that seems like a big part of the appeal in this case. It would take some doing to pin down exactly how this is so. Might even be more to do with the arrangements than with the compositions, but I feel like this album involves a pretty original framework for making music. Really like the drums and guitar, so there's a bit of a rock thing to it, definitely, but as Nitsuh said in his column last week, there is that "passing urge" again!
― timellison, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
The new School of Seven Bells album is better than this album, but I feel it would be very inconsistent of me to apply some kind of "only one artist in this sub-genre at a time" rule given my general approach to (in particular) sub-genres of dance music.
i am not enjoying this album at all, it sounds like the kind of stuff careless talk costs lives writers swore up and down was "pop" (maybe even "perfect pop") a decade ago.
That kind of thing annoys me too - aerosmith and matt dc also generally otm on this issue.
However I haven't seen any claims made for Frankie Rose along these lines.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
To put it another way: should I hate Raphael Saadiq because it's the kind of stuff careless talk costs lives writers (or maybe not them specifically, just stupid critics in general) praised for being "real R&B" a decade ago?
I get disgruntlement at wrongheaded judgment-laden critical approaches to music, and I also get how it bleeds over into to disguntlement towards the music itself but, like, what feels like a battle trench in one decade will often just look like a curious patch of earth in the next.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, finding myself feeling a little rankled at the humanness of this album not being prized in the comparison to SVIIB's gauziness, I guess.
― timellison, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
[this music] reminds me of [that music] ≠ judging frankie rose based on critical approaches, as i haven't seen any. plenty of other things i was annoyed about too.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
Well then, what, in itself, was wrong with the music that ctcl swore up and down was perfect pop?
actually i'm not even sure what specific music this is now. I'm having a bit of a blank trying to remember what filled in the shoegaze-pop category in those years. BRMC were too (self-consciously) "rock" I would think.
though I guess frankie rose is like what I always vaguely imagined masonic boom projects must sound like.
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not really feeling it, but listening to the new Frankie Rose did make me give the new Dum Dum Girls album a spin, and I quite like that.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
Listening to the Beverly album now & am feeling it so far.
What was the song that JF posted?
― jaymc, Friday, 25 July 2014 04:12 (nine years ago) link
waht is the beverly connection to FR? i have been enjoying it too
― doodle cock-up (electricsound), Friday, 25 July 2014 04:14 (nine years ago) link
xp Oh, I am guessing it was "Honey Do"?
― jaymc, Friday, 25 July 2014 04:14 (nine years ago) link
Beverly = Drew Citron + Frankie Rose. But:
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― jaymc, Friday, 25 July 2014 04:17 (nine years ago) link
beverly is drew's thing, frankie just plays in it. the way drew plays in frankie's solo thing
You wouldn't know that from how the album gets capsuled in the press, which is a total shame.
"Honey Do" is still one of my favorite singles of the year.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 July 2014 06:58 (nine years ago) link
New album coming next month.
https://www.agreymarket.com/collections/new-releases/products/frankie-rose-cage-tropical-lp-limited-edition-white-gold-splatter-pre-order
Can't believe it's already been four years since Herein Wild. That was a great album.
― kitchen person, Thursday, 6 July 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link
Indeed, unjustly maligned upon release. Looking forward to the new one! Ordered through your link, thanks.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 6 July 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
looking forward to this, new song is pretty groovy. hope she comes to austin and plays again, it was a fun little show last time dragged down by a shitty venue
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
also I am crushing on her ongoing commitment to splatter vinyl releases which are beautiful
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 6 July 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
The new album definitely isn't as instant as the last two.
Anyone else heard it yet?
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 14:05 (six years ago) link
I've listened to it three or four times -- none of it has made an impression yet, but will give it time. I've only been playing it on my morning train commute, which it doesn't seem suited for. I've got it on now and am liking "Trouble" but already can't even remember what the song before sounded like. "Art Bell" on now and I don't much care for it.
― early rejecter, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I'm on my fifth listen now and nothing has really made any impression yet. I'm really disappointed.
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
I'm just listening to it for the first time now. I don't know if I'll have any takeaways, but it sure is a glorious sound.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 10 August 2017 03:08 (six years ago) link
i think it's good
as good as interstellar? prob not, but it's very early and that's a very high bar
― alpine static, Friday, 11 August 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
Just digging into this, liking it so far, less rock than the other two, more of an 80s throwback sound. First song sounds like Cocteau Twins, second like "A Forest", etc.
― Moodles, Friday, 11 August 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
this sounds amazing texturally - some great guitar sounds - but I agree it's a bit underwritten
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
it's up on Spotify now... reminds me very much of the first Wild Swans album
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 18 August 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
I like her. Herein Wild is my favorite. This one is growing on me, but I don't like how the vocals are recorded.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 18 August 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
Is it common knowledge that Frankie Rose has covered The Cure's 17 Seconds in its entirety? I just found out about this -- it's from a monthly vinyl subscription series called Sounds Delicious (turntablekitchen.com/sounds-delicious/) where artists cover classic albums. Wasn't crazy about her last record but looking forward to checking this out if I can find a way to.
"At Night" and "A Forest" available to stream here:soundcloud.com/matthew-tk
Sounds maybe a bit too faithful on first listen.
― early rejecter, Friday, 1 December 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
her cover of a forest sounds great! yes because it does not stray far from the original. still. but I would buy this in a second if it wasn't one of those obnoxious vinyl subscription services.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
She even played "A Forest" when I saw her a few months ago. Possible highlight of the set.
I found "Cage Tropical" to be plenty immediate, surprised it didn't get much of a response. She tweaks her formula in a more compelling way than on "Herein Wild," which felt like a song-for-song rewrite of "Interstellar." Title track through "Red Museum" is glorious.
― geoffreyess, Friday, 1 December 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
All of the other releases are available individually on their shop page (turntablekitchen.com/shop/); this one isn't listed by itself for some reason but you can buy it as part of the record+"Sounds Delicious" t-shirt bundle for $40.
― early rejecter, Friday, 1 December 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
Cool. I'll wait until somebody is selling it for $15 on Discogs.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
All these years I haven't paid that much attention to Rose but I'm listening to an advance of the new album and rather enjoying it.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 February 2023 05:03 (one year ago) link
I play Frankie Rose (the first two albums) pretty regularly on my “new wave & synth-pop” radio show. Does very nicely mixed in with 70s and 80s stuff. https://wayofm.org/shows/are-friends-electric
― christopher.ivan, Friday, 17 February 2023 09:43 (one year ago) link
really enjoyed the start of the new record, quite samey as the previous stuff but not in an overly bad waysecond half was less memorable but will give it more time
― nxd, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link