things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

is iatee vegetarian y/n?

I try to eat less meat tho I was vegetarian in hs and my hair started falling out. in any case I don't think individual decisions are gonna save the world which is why 'tax red meat and use the money to offset emissions' is a better idea than 'trying to guilt everyone into being vegetarian'

Can't wait for the new paradise in which ppl once again are born, live and die within 5 miles of one spot. "You want to see the Parthenon? You should've got yourself born in Greece, my friend."

I question whether iatee really speaks about anything he "knows and loves" or if it's kind of a theoretical persona stance. The whole thing kind of reads not far off from his "I am a lawyer who owns a beemer" persona he was pulling when that one rube dropped by ilx.

I''m not sure, but I think I live in George.

whoa whoa whoa mock iatee all you want but I won't have you sullying the good name of Jay Batman.

refusing basic healthcare to anyone over the age of 65 would save a lot of resources
denying heating fuel to people who live in cold climates, also a good idea (sorry NYC!)
obese Americans starved until their BMIs drop below 20

People unable to find work within walking distance of their residence can be sent to a labor prison

I was going to say that this conversation belongs on the fascist thread, but it made me want to move to the country and buy a pickup with a gun rack and burn my trash so I'm conflicted

idg how my opinions on good public policy are 'a persona'. they might be absurdist in the context of modern american politics but remember I'm the dude who defends obama in the politics thread, so I'm p aware of their context within the spectrum of american politics. that doesn't, incidentally, mean they there's something wrong with pricing greenhouse emissions and encouraging environmentally efficient lifestyles.

summary execution of all pets

Man, people seem to be hearing "gas should cost $23/gal" what's actually being (accurately) said is "gas costs $23/gal (probably much higher), we're just not paying the full bill up front".

'people have to pay for the environmental effects of driving' = 'iatee is a fascist'

Or pets can only be fed food made from the remains of the elderly who die off

Full-blown libertarianism would eventually result in a world where nothing much lived besides humans, cockroaches, dust mites, algae and bacteria. But they would all reach a certain kind of equalibrium. Voila! Sustainability! (/doomer)

Did you know that overall, cooling air is a lot less power-consuming than heating? There's really no reason to have large cities as far north as NYC unless there's a significant stabilizing effect due to ocean/mountain proximity. Which NYC doesn't have.

totally agree, which is why we should be building more big cities in california

I think it's more that you have a lot of interesting ideas that proscribe what large swaths of society at large should be doing, but you seldom address your own stake in this!

btw I just completely misused the word proscribe, ignore me

I don't care what society 'should be doing', I care about pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind

and cooling is less necessary than heating - no a/c in the south would require reconfiguring houses to old vernacular styles with sleeping porches and shit, but you aren't going to die sleeping outside in a Mississippi summer

man ppl get really bent out of shape by this stuff

How is "pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind" not a thing that society would do?

eugenics program to breed people who can run marathons to deliver news from urban city-state to urban city-state

the chances of anything iatee 'wants' happening in america's political context are close to zero, so everybody can take it easy

Being libertarian doesn't mean not giving a direction for society! It means that specific direction is limited government, subsidies, and intervention

marketing campaign to turn unused NYC subway and sewer tunnels into 21st century artists' lofts
art supplies restricted for wastefulness (oops)

new TV production banned, all citizens have to watch media projected from a central location onto night-time clouds. No clouds, tough shit.

wow I had no idea raising the gas tax would have so many unforeseen consequences

no, this is the libertarian thread, you have to pose it as not subsidizing roads or subsidizing gasoline

Just spitballing ways to save the planet.

makes you think

haha

I go to a conference call and this place turns venomous. Waaahhh happen?

tbh, though, the effects from denying healthcare to the elderly is probably not that far off from designing policies to either uproot people or make living where they do untenable - going to be a lot of holdouts fighting back or dying off
and killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment, whereas herding people together generally hasn't been

whereas herding people together generally hasn't been

Do you...have anything to support this or are you just mad now?

yeah now that i think about it probably better to just leave things as they are

milo

you are continuing on this path as if ppl have been arguing against your ideas to kill off (note- think about a better euphemism for this) nearlydeads, when tbf nobody is fighting you on these vital reforms

Do I have any evidence that urbanization (partic. rapid urbanization) isn't good for the environment?
Sure: the Industrial Revolution. Contemporary China.

I'm not mad, I just think iatee's views - or at least his ways of stating them - are tailor-made for reductio ad absurdum, in that they start off on the absurd continuum.

'raise taxes on things that cause global warming'?

Seriously - if iatee were more serious about needing radical ideas to save the world (rather than, as noted, wanting the NYC he loves), he would be encouraging agrarianism and population reduction. Mankind is never quite so sustainable as when it needs the farmland directly beneath its feet to survive.

why do people think I love nyc so much

killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment

Wha? Old people don't reproduce. They have few years left to consume resources. They eat like birds. It's you young 'uns who will be vigorously spawning all those ravenous children, demanding ice cream and Gameboys, and ruining the planet for the next century!

I don't even own a I <3 ny shirt

my vision of the future is locking everyone into densely-packed urban gulag camps where only billionaires can afford to do anything more than 20 blocks away from their residence, including work.

― iatee, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:31 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Do you own a I 8====) NY shirt?

why do people think I love nyc so much

well consider the possibility that climate change will make it worse

no

iatee wants to ruin the yokels' lives... to save them!!!!