Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

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you would be the guy not to enjoy the Donald Sutherland part of JFK.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

no need for conspiracies; do it all out in the open, we're busy w/ our iPads.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 05:22 (twelve years ago) link

bread and circuits

I Want to Edit My Profile... (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 05:48 (twelve years ago) link

Reading Eon by Greg Bear, not really knowing anything about it, and was surprised by the role Ralph Nader takes in it (first time I saw 'Naderite' I figured it was a coincidence). Like his imagined future where Nader brings down the USSR almost as much as the GOP's 'Reagan brought down the Evil Empire' account.

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

Top picture: gas prices since Feb. 2011. Bottom picture: graph that FOX News aired today

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/countyfair/aaa-gasprices.jpg

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/countyfair/fnc-an-20120220-gasprices.jpg

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-to-propose-lowering-corporate-tax-rate-to-28-percent/2012/02/22/gIQA1sjdSR_story.html?hpid=z1

What could happen is they'll lower the rate but not get rid of the loopholes. The actual effective corporate tax rate right now is pretty low because of all of the deductions. But you folks know that.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

Everything that's wrong with Ohio, politics, Republicans, the media, and Jay Leno, all in one handy story!

Ohio House Speaker William G. Batchelder said today he will not apologize for a joke made at a recent GOP event suggesting President Barack Obama should be jailed.

Batchelder, a Republican from Medina who leads the House of Representatives, made the comment Saturday at the Summit County Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner, according to the Washington Post.

Batchelder was introducing Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum when he cracked a joke about whether Obama, a Democrat, should be re-elected.

“The liberals are asking us to give Obama more time. And I think 25-to-life would be a good start,” said Batchelder, according to the Post.

Today, Democratic Rep. Vernon Sykes, of Akron, called on Batchelder to apologize immediately.

"Speaker Batchelder's recent comments are absolutely deplorable," Sykes said in a statement released this morning. "I would expect my longtime friend, colleague and the Speaker of the Ohio House to respect the office of the President of the United States regardless of party affiliation."

Batchelder refused to apologize for his comments over the weekend.

"While some are trying to twist a harmless joke into an opportunity to attack me, make no mistake that I have deep respect for the presidency and the integrity of the office, regardless who holds it," Batchelder said in a statement this afternoon.

"I will not apologize for the joke, but I will apologize to my friend and colleague who apparently considered it more than a joke."

The statement from Batchelder's office noted that late-night TV host Jay Leno recently made a similar joke.

Batchelder said he will refrain from repeating jokes from Leno and other comedians.

http://media.cleveland.com/obrien_impact/photo/9726205-small.jpg

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

That does sound like a Leno joke.

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Lazy Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus read a report from 3rd Way, a moderate Dem group, and she's using it to blame liberals for all of the elections Dems have lost since 1972.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrates-must-chase-independents-to-win/2012/02/21/gIQA74p3RR_story.html?hpid=z3

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

a guy who looks like his own caricature

xp

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

trying to figure out if my folks/family know Vernon Sykes

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

It's not a Leno joke. It is however from a rightwong email circulating that claims it's a Leno joke.

Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

Ruth Marcus is a pimple on the backside of journalism.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

russ feingold has been named a co-chair of obama's re-election campaign

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

these "3rd way" moderate Dems are rather like conservatives in that they have the same answer for everything and for every circumstance (for the conservatives, it's no-tax-hikes-ever, and for the 3rd way lot it's "dirty smelly hippie libs won't make it with 'independents').

why the fuck do we continue to pay these people any mind?!?

Puppenmeister Meisterpuppen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago) link

cuz they outnumber us

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

yup

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

interesting development. but, the tenth amendment center? yuck!

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

odd poll from PPP asks americans of their impressions of the fifty states:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_022112.pdf

Over the course of four months starting last October, PPP asked
American voters nationally what their impressions of each state are. Hawaii came out on top, by far, with California bringing up the rear.

Americans generally have a favorable view of most states. Only five are in negative territory, led by California (27% favorable and 44% unfavorable), Illinois (19-29), New Jersey (25-32), Mississippi (22-28), and Utah (24-27). Only seven other states have netpositive
ratings in the single digits, and another breaks even (Louisiana).

54% see Hawaii positively and only 10% negatively, followed in the top ten by Colorado (44-9), Tennessee (48-14), South Dakota (42-8), Virginia (45-13), Montana (39-7), Alaska (46-17), Oregon (43-14), and North Carolina and Pennsylvania (each 40-11). Ten others are in positive territory by at least 21 points.

Women have a higher opinion of New York by 27 points more than men, Massachusetts by 22 points, Delaware and California by 16, New Hampshire by 15, Vermont and Illinois by 13, and Connecticut by 11, while men see North Dakota more favorably by 17 points, South Carolina by 15, Wyoming 14, Montana 13, and Iowa and South Dakota 10.

Democrats’ favorite states include Hawaii, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, Vermont, Colorado, and New York, and their least favorites are led by Texas, Alabama, and Mississippi. Republicans love Alaska and Texas, and absolutely hate California, followed distantly by Illinois and Massachusetts. So the greatest partisan gap is for California, which Democrats like 91 points more than Republicans do, followed by
Texas, which is favored more by Republicans by 82 points.

Black voters dislike 10 of the 14 Southern states.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

forgive by bad pagination there

net favorability ratings:

http://motherjones.com/files/images/blog_states_favorable_0.jpg

WI at #12 and MN at #40 is hurting me in my heart

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

interesting development. but, the tenth amendment center? yuck!

I sympathize but, really, screw nullification, esp coming out of Virginia. Do they really want their capital burned down again?

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

I suspect that Hawaii's popularity has very little to do with its politics or its people.

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

haha new jersey

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

I suspect that Hawaii's popularity has very little to do with its politics or its people.

i have to assume the same goes for TN.

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

WI at #12 and MN at #40 is hurting me in my heart

I don't even understand how this happened

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

one explanation could be that conservatives are more likely to incorporate their political views on a state in determining their opinion on the state so the whole wisconsin thing made conservatives 'like wisconsin'?

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

Alaska and Virginia placements perplex me, too.

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

I think there are a lot of opinion variables getting mixed up and the poll would seem like it had more logic to it if it were limited to a certain demographic

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

wisconsin: uh beer, 'that 70s show', v powerful cheese ad lobby, the packers. could be some partisan effects w/r/t the governor there.

minnesota: cold as hell, 'fargo', woeful & hateable sports teams. idk!

xps i think just throwing everthing together is part of the charm of this poll.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

haha oh yeah the packers, that's prob not a minor thing tbh

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

in any case most people have very few concrete opinions on these things, like I am pretty sure my dad and grandmother do not have an 'opinion' on north dakota

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

lol at the gender split on the Dakotas. Wonder if this has anything to do with awareness of anti choice laws.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

I seriously doubt more than 10% of america could tell you which of the two dakotas was passing anti choice laws

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

what % could tell you which dakota was north or south of the other

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

a decent %, at least 60

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

a blog i work for did a series about "worst states" and we were all supposed to vote and i had no idea how to rate some of them. i have to have an opinion about arkansas? i mean get real

max, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

haha yeah and like, max is a 'person on the internet' with 'opinions', like ilx is filled w/ people who are desperate for reasons to make long lists ranking things, most people genuinely do not have these kinda desires or view of the world so lots of polls that assume they do end up being nonsense.

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

I nabbed some amazing fried chicken & pecan pie at a gas station in AR, so 9 out of 10

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

I think most people prob do have 'an opinion' on california, texas, hawaii, 'new york', the place they live, the places nearby

iatee, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

what a weird pie (xp)

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

my ultimate strategy was to give nj 10 and no other state higher than 5

it still ended up in the bottom 10. well top 10.

max, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

no joek i would try that pie

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

nj welcomes america's hatred

http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2010/10/chris-christie.jpg

Puppenmeister Meisterpuppen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_02/big_tent_tensions035593.php#

Ruth Marcus should read this from Ed Kilgore who has taken Steve Benen's spot at Washington Monthly when Benen moved on:

Do “liberal party activists” control the agenda of the Democratic Party? I don’t think so.

I must have missed the moment when the major Democratic candidates for president in 2008 (or for that matter, 2004) embraced the single-payer approach to universal health coverage that is undoubtedly popular among “liberal party activists.” I also failed to notice newly elected president Barack Obama supporting nationalization of the banks, or a multi-trillion dollar economic stimulus package, or reversal of Bush administration policies on surveillance, at the end of 2008 and the beginning of 2009. Obama sure did go to the mats on behalf of the “public option” on health insurance—in itself considered a major compromise by “liberal party activists”—when the deal when down on health reform, didn’t he? And hey, Democratic congressional leaders most definitely saluted when “liberal party activists” demanded crackdowns on or actual expulsion of Blue Dog Democrats who were voting against major party legislation, didn’t they?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

*sigh* no mention of climate change/energy policy

erotic war comedy pollster (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

I found chicken fried pecan pie, pecan crusted southern-fried chicken & deep-fried chicken pot pie, but no fried chicken & pecan pie. All of these things look amazing tho

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

I want all of the pies

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73218.html#ixzz1nFQ624H9

He continued, “This ‘tax policy’ is an example as well as today’s speech on his ‘energy policy’ shall be. Here is the bottom line, last night it took 70 dollars to fill the tank of my 2008 H3 Hummer, what is it costing you? What does it cost the president to fill his gas tank?”

iatee, Friday, 24 February 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Friday, 24 February 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link


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