<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Young_Jeezy_-_The_Recession.jpg">
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link
tom, what grade level are you again?
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Young_Jeezy_-_The_Recession.jpg
Goldman down 24%Gold up 10%
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=gs+gld
― o. nate, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link
no, that article is completely right, unless you have more than 100k in there― akm, Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:36 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― akm, Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:36 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
What is my incentive for them to not fail vs. getting my money out and them failing? Also doesn't the FDIC not have enough cash to cover a WaMu failure and would have to wait for the gov to give them more? Fucking christ, you believe in FDIC?
― html tsar (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
when the needle hits wax you go down like goldman sachsI hold gold while you fold, your cash crashed, credit maxed
o god plz stop me
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link
whoa am i not supposed to believe in fdic? i thought only old people didnt trust the fdic
― gr8080 (max), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:06 (fifteen years ago) link
it's been fairly common knowledge that the FDIC is underfunded and couldn't cover a major banking crisis, no?
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link
FDIC is cold like ice is, a glacier that will cover any crisis
― brownie, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
guys the country is only ten trillion in the hole, we're okay.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey so which banks are good? Should I go foreign owned (is HSBC actually foreign?)?
― html tsar (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
hsbc is strongyes they are foreign
― sleep, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.verlo.com/secure/822.images
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I just joined HSBC from HBOS last week ha
― -- (stet), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Morgan Stanley down 1/3rd of its previous worth
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
this is the last supper, you better get your holy grail outI'll tax your ass harder than an investment bank bailout
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
srsly stop it
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks, I needed that
suggestions for tomorrow's headlines
WHERE O WHERE IS THE BOTTOM
FALL FASHIONS: FLOOR IS THE NEW CEILING
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
What is Jeb Bush's role in the Lehman Brothers meltdown?
Lehman Brothers was founded in 1850. The firm managed to get through the Civil War, WWI, and WWII, the Great Depression, and the attacks of September 11, 2001. Yet after hiring Jeb Bush in late August of 2007, the firm suddenly goes belly up in a year. It also should be noted that in 2006, George H. Walker IV was also hired by Lehman Brothers.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Er.. okay
So now the Treasury Dept is bailing out the Fed itself? Can someone tell me this is business as usual or insignificant?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091701403.html
Fed Asks Treasury Dept. for Funds to Backstop Intervention EffortsBy David ChoWashington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 17, 2008; 12:55 PMThe Federal Reserve has requested that the Treasury Department deposit $40 billion with the central bank in an effort to help the Fed continue to stabilize the financial markets and address concerns about whether it is overstretched.
The Fed's extraordinary series of efforts to pump extra funds into the financial system and bail out such firms as American International Group and Bear Stearns with mammoth loans has depleted its store of Treasury bonds. The central bank will use the funds to offset the amount of money it has injected into the markets in its rescue efforts.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Really this should be for the UK thread but anyway:
Andrew Lloyd Webber, the British composer, hopes to rush to the rescue of all those London bankers who recently lost their jobs in the turbulent financial markets. To brighten their days, Mr. Lloyd Webber decided to offer them free tickets to his shows.“I thought that free tickets might offer some respite, albeit for a couple of hours, for some of those people who have sadly lost their jobs in the current economic upheaval,” Mr. Lloyd Webber said in a statement on Wednesday. “Both ‘The Sound of Music’ and ‘Joseph’ are feel-good shows.”People will receive two free tickets for one of the shows between Monday and Thursday when they present their P45, a form handed out by companies to people they fire, at the box office. The offer is open until Oct. 15 and applies only to former employees of financial institutions in London who lost their jobs after Sept. 1.
“I thought that free tickets might offer some respite, albeit for a couple of hours, for some of those people who have sadly lost their jobs in the current economic upheaval,” Mr. Lloyd Webber said in a statement on Wednesday. “Both ‘The Sound of Music’ and ‘Joseph’ are feel-good shows.”
People will receive two free tickets for one of the shows between Monday and Thursday when they present their P45, a form handed out by companies to people they fire, at the box office. The offer is open until Oct. 15 and applies only to former employees of financial institutions in London who lost their jobs after Sept. 1.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
let them eat showtunes
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Washington Mutual up for auction.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
They should try ebay.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Read my mind.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
this country needs a maverick who will put banks up on ebay
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link
raggett / nicole '08
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I have the glasses.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
ned has the experience
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
let's waste lots of money
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
http://fourfour.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/tyra_kmfa.gif
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
It is true that I would be only the figurehead for the true energizer of the base.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I can see Canada from my house!
― Nicole, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Librarygate. Your kid's name is Miffle, yes?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
wau, -440 points today
(and I don't understand stocks)
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
when Goldman crashes and Morgan Stanley starts getting lip action from suitors, you know the shit is hitting the fan
― Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i love morbius on this thread
― bell_labs, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
if we end the year with zero independent investment banks extant does that signify the end of an era?
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, to wonder where this sad little fucker ended up
― Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
remember the halcyon days when we just had threads that said "Real Estate bubble bust may be worse than Dot Com bubble bust;
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
WaMu up for salehere
― -- (stet), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
a fond look back:
The year-end bonus is a Wall Street tradition, and for a second consecutive year, the amounts are significant. Three major Wall Street firms - Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns - have reported record profits for the year and all are said to have given out handsome bonuses.
...One senior trader is building a sports complex for triathlon training at his house in upstate New York. It will include a swim-in-place lap pool, a climbing wall and a fitness center. Another bought an Aston Martin. For some, upgrading real estate is the first order of business.
... Another senior banker at a different firm, who is set to receive a $2.8 million bonus, said he had bought his wife a mink coat and was planning a weeklong skiing vacation out West. But he also said he intended to save most of the money. "We're not buying homes or boats, we're not spending on the big things," he said. "We are more relaxed and generous on the small things."
Of course, small is in the eye of the beholder. While the Maybach, an exclusive line of luxury cars made by Mercedes-Benz that starts at $315,000, appears on the wish lists of many bankers, relatively less expensive models from Aston Martin, Bentley and Maserati have also been popular. Michael Parchment, general manager for Miller Motorcars, a luxury dealership in Greenwich, said demand had been soaring.
"It's probably up 20 to 30 percent from the same time period last year," he said. "Unfortunately, production isn't up." The result, he said, are some unhappy bankers.
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Next up.......Wachovia! Woo
Morgan Stanley Considers Merger With WachoviaBy BEN WHITE and ANDREW ROSS SORKINPublished: September 17, 2008
Morgan Stanley, one of the two last major American investment banks, is considering a merger with the Wachovia Corporation or another bank, according to people briefed on the discussions.
The Morgan Stanley chief executive, John J. Mack, received a telephone call on Wednesday from Wachovia expressing interest in the Wall Street bank. Morgan Stanley is considering other options as well. Other banks have also expressed interest in Morgan Stanley.
The talks are preliminary and no deal may emerge.
Wachovia declined to comment.
Shares of Wachovia fell 20.76 percent, or 2.39 percent, to $9.12; Morgan Stanley declined 24.22 percent, or $6.95, to $21.75.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, it's like everything some blogger said might go wrong is going wrong!
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
So is the end result of this debacle like 2-3 megabanks who run everything under the sun?
― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, at least until the revolution.
― dowd, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/87278.jpg
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122168156315148901.html?mod=testMod
After Morgan Stanley's precipitous decline in the last few days, its market value is only slightly above Wachovia's, so the likeliest combination would be a merger of equals. Wachovia also has been pounded by the mortgage mess, including its ill-fated acquisition of Golden West Financial Corp. in 2006. Wachovia's $25 billion purchase of Golden West at the height of the housing boom exposed it to large mortgage losses. The Charlotte, N.C., bank has said it believes losses for Golden West's "payment option" loan portfolio could eventually reach 12%.
But many analysts believe the losses from that portfolio may exceed 12 %.
"Is it going to be 20 percent? Is it going to be 30 percent?" said Nancy Bush of NAB Research LLC in Annandale, N.J. "Nobody knows." New CEO Robert Steel is "to some degree hostage. A hostage of the numbers that have been handed to him." Wachovia has created a distressed asset resolution team to work through the problem loans and refinance mortgages where possible. "I don't think they have many options," Ms. Bush said. "There is nobody they can sell this stuff to."
Morgan Stanley said Wednesday it was doing everything it could to shore up a rapidly sinking stock price.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
So Charlotte is the new New York then, with BoA buying Merril, and Wach buying MS
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
And a US cabinet appointee who sits on the board of all the other banks.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link