no boys allowed in the room!!!!

Nope! Not even with jeans. I wore underpants w jeans the other day because I was going to TRY ON jeans and I am not a disgusting savage, and I was shocked at how uncomfortable it was. Also that it gave me panty lines. Now THAT'S gross.

Every time I have worn jeans without underwear, it was clear that afterwards the jeans wanted washing. Maybe it's a YMMV thing.

every time i've gone w/out underwear (on the rare occasion) i've ended up with skin rashes.

xposts - haha I know you hate panty lines something fierce. I don't mind them tbh. Man, I just - well the crotch seams were all rubbing up in places they didn't belong! Maybe I'm just not used to it. I like underwear esp cute underwear so going without hasn't really ever occurred to me as a regular thing.

I should say, in the summer I just wear stockings cut into, like, bike shorts every single day, so it functions as underwear. But I can't stand the lines and the straps and elastics cutting into me on normal underpants.

Also in the half year or so I was trying to go without underwear, I was clearly just doing it wrong. Like I'd ride a bike in a dress and then fall off the bike and of course feel gravely embarrassed and exposed. Or get lock out of my own house (once again in a skirt) drunk in the middle of the night and decide to lay down in the soil and then imagine how close I am to that which creepeth in the soil with no underwear layer to protect me. I guess they are just talismanic to me in their power to keep me from feeling exposed.

There was a while when I meant to buy a lot of pairs of silky tap pants instead of briefs-style, but you can't stuff tap pants into jeans anyway.

lol, aww

tap pants are cute

I have an awesome pair of ruffle butt underwear but you can't really wear them under anything which makes me sad because I'd get 6 more pairs and wear them every day if I could. They'd make the days better.

You could wear them under swirly 50s skirts for dancing!

ok now i'm imagining Benson in ruffle butt underwear and it's making me lol

i wear men's boxer briefs sometimes instead of undies because i like the seams better. but then there's that extra fabric in the front. (boyshorts fit me horribly)

just bought some new 'hipster' undies and i wear them inside out because arrrrgh the seams i hate them.

I just googled ruffle butt underwear and, I shit you not, one of results on the first page is of a pug in pink ones! I can't link it though because it's a protected flickr pic but lol.

You could wear them under swirly 50s skirts for dancing!

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I could but I don't own any. Maybe I should get some and then the get more underwear to match.

one of results on the first page is of a pug in pink ones!

i gis-ed just now and oh wow ...it's face is turned away from the camera though

probably in shame because its owners are making it wear pink stain ruffled underwear and posting the results online tbh

maybe it's so the pug can't eat them?

"pink stain" - thread appropriate typo

lol, maybe

laurel is blowing my mind

i REALLY like these super cheapo (fruit of the loom, i think?) big ol' grandma undies from target. they cover your butt completely, so you don't get them riding up, and the seams are flat, so you don't get VPL (which i also hate). i mean, they're about as unsexy/uncute as it's possible to get, but i'd rather be comfortable.

lolll abbott! Bike riding necessitates underwear imo, call me boring. I only go commando a while camping or at someone's cottage in summer.

For years and years, like 15 yrs, I
mostly only wore elita thong underwear and similar in fancier styles bc they solved the constant riding-up issue. but in the past few years I've gone back to bikini briefs, generally seamless or near-seamless, and there's little to no riding-up issue. Maybe my butt has changed. Well, I'm sure it has, such is life.

srsly, I need to do more squats and lunges

maybe my butt has changed

This thread took an awesome turn while I was asleep + this is one of those things I am SO GLAD you have discussed bcuz even though I wear indestructible black M&S battlepants which don't really fall apart the crotchal bleaching has been an endless source of mystery and perplexment to me.

I am rlly quite relieved this is all girl, still though I live in fear that "flinging jocks at head" and pants chewing pugs and crotchal bleaching will end up on some o_0 archive somewhere.

Heyyy I never said I fling the jocks at anyones head! ;) That would be just rude. Unless he was some kind of dodgy pantysniffer in which case... eww.

Sorry I'm still all flooded with woman testosterone and thinking violently! ;)

idk I have said some TRULY REVOLTING shit on ilx and it never got o_O'ed
But someone did start one of those RONG threds with a post where I said Led Zeppelin is awful and marijuana is a waste of money
YMMV

tbh you were rong about LZ there but right abour weed imo

I'm pretty sure there were a lot of raised eyebrows among those reading this thread last night but who gives a shit?

But you are one of those lovely, gracious girls who are always pleasant and nice and friendly to everyone (even sometimes, I suspect, at what cost I don't know but I suspect it can be emotionally high) - this is not a diss by the way, Abbs, it's one of the things that I truly admire about you, that you're able to keep a Face which reads as positive, even in the face of grossness.

While I am one of those sharp, bitchy, spiky girls who believes in "being true to herself" so much that I cannot be bothered with showing ~nice face~ to ppl I read as "attacking" (YMMV) me or ppl like me or behaving in a way I read as Just Not Cricket.

So you being gross is read as an extension of cute or childlike or innocent, while me being gross is read as evidence that I truly am a disgusting, gross, hysterical crazy bitch.

I'm not saying this is the truuuuuuuuuuth, but this is how it often subjectively feels from inside my head

aw, there there
I don't think you're gross.

^^^not meant to sound condescending fwiw
also lol at me saying that after you call me nice 'n' neotenic

Ha! It's not that I'm gross. It's just that when I am lewd, it's read as supporting other character defects (let's not even open the vagina can-o-worms again) in a way that women who are able to maintain ~nice face~ will not face reproval for lewdness or gross outs.

Anyway this is making me uncomfortable bcuz it reads like "woe is me" whining when it's just commentary.

I have nice-face problems. I'm trying to not have them. We'll see how that goes and if you all hate me in 8 months (or less).

happy st-vagina's day!!!

i had a dream the other day about a b&w poster that was a women-and-sex-positive version of wall-o-ginas, with something witty written at the bottom

or maybe this actually exists?

We could kickstart to make that happen.

It's weird, it's like "maintaining ~nice face~" costs me such a high emotional drain - it's not a natural or easy thing for me - that I sometimes fear I can act resentful or suspicious towards women for whom it *appears* easy? It kind of took me up until $h1mura Curv3s to really understand or try to move beyond that suspicion, it's something I'm still working on.

If you can remember what the "something witty" was from your dream. Or Lechera could write/assemble something for us by repurposing romances, which I think is an excellent use for them.

WCC I hear you, I used to find a certain kind of nice-face exhausting. I've gotten past that a little bit now and it's just boring to me, but I can be smiley and stuff without really looking at people, without really seeing them or caring about them.

Maybe I have misjudged nice-face all these years as a distancing tool? It can put a nice fuzzy screen between you and other people, at least from your own point of view.

Can you explain a little more what you mean about "nice-face" please?

Being nice and pretending to care about what people are saying to you when you don't feel nice and don't care, that's my personal definition.

Or that you don't violently disagree with whatever they just said, that kind of thing.

Yeah, I just meant a more specific example or do you mean just as a general attitude?

It's not even about maintaining nice-face as a distancing tool (bcuz my natural face is anthropologist on mars "what's this? What's this?" which might also be exhausting) but that thing of maintaining nice-face in reaction to awfulness where my first reaction is to kick v v hard BACK like a tantruming schoolgirl from St Trinians (so much for the myth of women not being violent)

But I suppose there's protective nice-face as a kind of distancing nice-face.

Always being pleasant and consiliatory (consiliating?) and feminine and cheerful and upbeat and responding in a gracious and non-aggressive and non-defensive manner and being sweet and polite as a matter of course, even when -especially when- ppl are being rude or aggressive or patronising or insulting or saying things you know and can prove to be total bullshit.

That's ~nice face~ I guess?

Examples: every single time I do anything vaguely related to Scottish dance except for our normal rehearsals. Also when I come to work and have to be polite around colleagues, also when I go home to MI and have to see anyone except my own family, any time it's required that I be "properly respectful" of authority for its own sake when it hasn't proven anything to me, and so on.

I don't always hate being nice-face sometimes when it's my choice to do so, but I abhor HAVING to do it.

It's a weird thing bcuz it is totally a "feminine virtue"

And it's one of those strengths I can totally admire in ppl who can do it and bd diplomatic in situations where I'd like to kick in someone's teeth.

But at the same time, it strikes me as *exhausting* to have to do, and I'm a little afraid of the falseness of it, like it's a mask but it's also a kind of lying.

Yes, that's an important aspect that makes me squirmy that I've never put my finger on--thank you for that. It's a lie. I feel like a lie.