Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

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Obama has made things worse in the prosecuting of whistleblowers and in many civil liberty areas, yes. Re the unintend consequences of appointing judges, other than HW Bush's appoinment of Souter, which appointees in the last 30 years have done other than what was expected?

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:34 (six years ago) Permalink

as Bob Dole would say, stop lying about my record.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:35 (six years ago) Permalink

Re the unintend consequences of appointing judges, other than HW Bush's appoinment of Souter, which appointees in the last 30 years have done other than what was expected?

Kennedy, although expectations were low (third pick after Bork and Douglas Ginsberg).

Too soon to judge Sotomayor and Kagan.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:38 (six years ago) Permalink

doesn't even make sense to compare them because judges today are picked *specifically with the goal of not having unexpected consequences*

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Kennedy still largely agrees with the other conservatives

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:40 (six years ago) Permalink

doesn't even make sense to compare them because judges today are picked *specifically with the goal of not having unexpected consequences*

... when was this not a goal

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:41 (six years ago) Permalink

it wasn't as explicitly a goal recently

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

There are various books claiming that the Republican presidential appointment of Earl Warren, who became a liberal favorite, was not thought out the way most of the current appointments have been done.

Some liberal and left wing groups worry that Sotomayor and Kagan will be less than liberal despite all the analysis of their history.

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:45 (six years ago) Permalink

You're not going to stop either-or'ing every goddamn issue where both wings of the duopoly break the limits of tolerability... but plz do so anyway. Let's just get a second party, albeit one different from Tom Friedman's, by any means necessary.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh, there's a long list of justices whose decisions didn't square with the president's, starting with Samuel Chase, whom Jefferson's Dems in Congress tried to impeach.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:47 (six years ago) Permalink

... when was this not a goal

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, February 13, 2012 12:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

sometimes judges were picked based on their 'jurisprudence' (i.e. cardozo, who received unanimous support from both parties)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:59 (six years ago) Permalink

or justices were picked for "balance" (i.e. we need a Catholic, a southerner, a Jew).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:01 (six years ago) Permalink

doesn't even make sense to compare them because judges today are picked *specifically with the goal of not having unexpected consequences*

... when was this not a goal

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:41 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"& so, mr president, we have our shortlist. and now, if you will close your eyes, put your hand in the bag and withdraw only one additional name"

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:08 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17014744

Obama budget that the House will oppose released today (plus arm sales to Bahrain story below):

the plan would levy a new $61bn tax on financial institutions, in an effort to recover the costs of the financial bailout. And it would raise a further $41bn by cutting tax breaks for oil, gas and coal companies.

Token items like this keep me in the voting for Obama camp (no matter how annoyed I was this morning re this item I heard on the Democracy Now radio program and just read about elsewhere: The Obama administration has quietly moved forward with a new package of arms sales to the regime in Bahrain, after international pressure forced them to delay its planned $53 million arms sale. Using legal loopholes that only require congressional authorization for sales of $1 million or more, the administration split the arms package and moved forward with the new sales without notifying the public.

Human Rights Watch has condemned Obama’s support for this repression, saying in a press release that the “decision to move forward on a $1 million arms sale to Bahrain sends the wrong signal to a country that is engaged in serious human rights abuses

http://presstv.com/usdetail/225971.html

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:20 (six years ago) Permalink

"reasonable adult" moderate.....grrrrrrr

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:21 (six years ago) Permalink

Will DJP or Tim3llison or someone defend the Bahrain thing, or explain it to naive me? Does Obama really believe this military aid is a "carrot" that will get Bahrain to shape up, or that this aid is somehow necessary to counteract Iran or help the US maintain a presence in that part of the world?

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 20:20 (six years ago) Permalink

why is it incumbent upon me to defend the Bahrain thing

fuck off

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:21 (six years ago) Permalink

black people are the most responsible for obama's decisions iirc

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 20:22 (six years ago) Permalink

I didn't realize that saying Obama is the candidate most in line with my political beliefs with the best chance of winning automatically means I approve of every fucking thing his administration does

well actually I did realize that, which is why I shouldn't be on these threads because oftentimes you guys are fucking morons

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:24 (six years ago) Permalink

I won't defend weapons sales but it's pretty obvious why Obama thinks it's important to prop up the Bahrain regime - to annoy Iran and keep them from becoming the running the country by proxy

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:25 (six years ago) Permalink

I hear he's trading arms for handos

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:30 (six years ago) Permalink

Um, I said Tim3llison (whose race I do not know) or someone too, but sorry for singling anyone out. My error. Shakey, do you think this will really annoy Iran though?

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:01 (six years ago) Permalink

Annoy is probably the wrong word. I'm pretty sure this is merely to warn them.

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Iran will totally see this as (yet another) aggressive move to assert US hegemony in the region, no doubt about it

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:05 (six years ago) Permalink

It also makes sense in the contect of the long-standing enmity between Sunni Arab kingdoms and the Shia Persian Islamic Republic

le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:12 (six years ago) Permalink

So the citizens of Bahrain are screwed--either they have their own current autocratic regime or one controlled by Iran.

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:13 (six years ago) Permalink

mostly

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:14 (six years ago) Permalink

would probably prefer Iran tho, given the shi'a majority

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:14 (six years ago) Permalink

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/gop-drops-demand-for-offsetting-payroll-tax-cut.php

Can we believe TPM or its sources on this?

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:21 (six years ago) Permalink

dude

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:28 (six years ago) Permalink

its source is... an official statement

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:28 (six years ago) Permalink

will lol if Tea Party morons buck Boehner on this

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:32 (six years ago) Permalink

its source is... an official statement

― max, Monday, February 13, 2012 3:28 PM (8 minutes ago)

Yeah, but it's an offical statement from Republican leaders. How do we know we can trust it?!

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:37 (six years ago) Permalink

Whenever a flood of fresh new faces sweeps into Congress on a tide of public reaction, the tide usually goes out in the next election and many are swept back out to sea. I look for at least half the new tea party reps to swim with that outgoing tide, not against it.

Aimless, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:43 (six years ago) Permalink

WmC otm

Boehner is such a shitty caucus leader, it's unbelievable

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:43 (six years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine anyone else doing any better

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:44 (six years ago) Permalink

from the gop's pov

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:44 (six years ago) Permalink

Cantor's got some ideas...

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:48 (six years ago) Permalink

when I call Boehner a shitty speaker, I don't just mean in terms of crafting legislation or holding his caucus together - he's shitty simply from an administrative standpoint. he can't count votes. how many times has he opened his mouth and proposed something, only to be forced to recant later by the rank-and-file? That shit just looks bad.

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:50 (six years ago) Permalink

China's VP visiting the White House today:

The rest of Xi’s visit will likely be similarly scripted — heavy on protocol and heavily restricted when it comes to access to the media and the public. No press conferences are planned.

The goal, for the Chinese, is to protect Xi from potential embarrassment, especially from protestors.

“We know their pattern, it’s predictable,” said Tenzin Dolkar of Students for a Free Tibet, one of several groups planning to protest in front of the White House on Tuesday when Xi visits. “But even just knowing what day he’ll be here is more than enough. We know his haunts.”

...

On Thursday, Xi will focus largely on agricultural issues, with a symposium organized by the USDA. On Friday he will rejoin Biden in Los Angeles to visit a school teaching Chinese and meet with members of the business community.

Lastly, for those elite protesters willing to shell out serious money for courtside seats, Xi is also widely rumored to be planning a last stop at a Lakers game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/as-chinas-xi-visits-us-details-still-under-wraps/2012/02/13/gIQAlLheBR_blog.html?hpid=z2

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:57 (six years ago) Permalink

not just a VP - future premier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:30 (six years ago) Permalink

er, president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:31 (six years ago) Permalink

ceo, w/e

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:33 (six years ago) Permalink

China sentences dissident to 7 years for poetry
BEIJING -- A Chinese court has sentenced a dissident writer to seven years in prison over a poem he wrote urging his countrymen to gather at a public square, a human rights group said Friday. The hefty sentence comes ahead of next week's visit to the U.S. by Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping — widely expected to be China's next leader — where he is likely to face questions on human rights.

The U.S. government on Friday voiced deep concern over Zhu Yufu's reported sentencing and the recent convictions of three other dissidents who have received nine- and 10-year prison terms for subversion or inciting subversion over the last few months

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/china/national-news/2012/02/12/331378/China-sentences.htm

http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/02/13/poets-peaceniks-and-protesters-meet-chinas-leading-dissidents/#zhu-yufu

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

there's a thread for that

rolling buried alive in china 2012

but yeah, I can't really see the US pushing XJP on this at all when he comes to visit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:46 (six years ago) Permalink

I can't really see the US pushing him on it at all, ever.

#1 Inspector Spacetime Fanboy (Viceroy), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:44 (six years ago) Permalink

http://ussc.edu.au/blogs/Are-red-states-addicted-to-government-spending

With interesting quote from Yglesias, down below:

The poor Mississippians subsidised by rich New Yorkers aren't hypocrites at all. They vote according to their self-interest — for the party that wants to maintain transfers to them. However, on election day, their middle and upper income neighbours are more likely to vote Republican than middle and upper income people New York.

Matt Yglesias, meanwhile, has a good explanation of how federal transfer help even the well-off in red states:

One is that high-income people living in low-income states are generally very conservative in their political ideology but probably benefit more from federal income support programs more than they realize. If you own fast food franchises in the Nashville area, for example, you're going to form a self-perception as a self-reliant businessman but the existence of Medicaid and the Earned Income Tax Credit are helping to ensure that your customers have adequate income to sometimes eat at your Taco Bell. These chains of dependency snake even longer. If you sell luxury cars in Florida, many of your customers are probably medical professionals who are earning high incomes because other people have Medicare benefits. The aggregate geographic transfer patterns, in other words, do make a real difference to the economic life of the nation. The existence of transfer payments props up the entire local economies of low-income, low-productivity parts of the country.

Low income Mississippians aren't decrying government spending while relying on the taxes of rich liberals. But middle-class Mississippians might get more out of government spending than they thought.

http://ussc.edu.au/blogs/Are-red-states-addicted-to-government-spending

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 14:54 (six years ago) Permalink

eh they can only be voting for their self-interest if they're
a. conscious of it
b. they're not doing some cognitive dissonance thing

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:01 (six years ago) Permalink

what we need to do is just rename everything 'government benefits'

you're not getting social security anymore, you're getting your 'government benefits check'. you're not getting a tax credit, you're getting a government benefits credit. also all highways are renamed to like 'government benefits route 23'

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:04 (six years ago) Permalink

robbery? call the police government benefit
flames engulfing your home? call the fire government benefit

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:07 (six years ago) Permalink


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