But, judging from yr last post, I guess you no all that...
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Hah, yes, but there's a big difference between what one knows and what one recalls, as I'm proving here. Thanks, dude: sorry for being so wildly off-the-mark above!
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
i actually really like that this movie is mildly incoherent....over-explaining diminishes the horror. besides i never really took it for any sort of allegory but a quite literal depiction of a jackass chafing against the demands of his wife and kid!
― ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
ie, the "artist" needing to cut all ethical and moral ties to those around them.
and vice-versa?
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
that works!
― ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
you know, if it weren't for A Clockwork Orange, you could say kubrick was on some kind of anti-exposition warpath. except for the pool table scene in EWS, which almost plays as a parody of exposition.
― ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Certainly true of The Shining, Barry Lyndon, 2001.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
The Indian Burial Ground thing isn't in the novel. I remember because I watched the movie before I was in the book, & I was on the lookout for it. But there is one in Pet Sematary (the book); it's suggested that some kind of Indian-ish burial ground thing is responsible for the patch of groud behind the Pet Sematary being able to bring bodies back to life (I think there's, like, a Wendigo that hangs out there)? So maybe that's where the idea came from. There might be lots of King novels with "Indian burial ground" motif; in fact there probably are.
I had some thoughts on why it's a good addition to the film, but I'm not feeling eloquent enough to articulate them. Maybe tomorrow...
― What a Mess (Gudrun Brangwen), Thursday, 8 January 2009 04:07 (fifteen years ago) link
How is Barry Lyndon anti-exposition? Between the narrator and the title cards, he literally tells you in writing of nearly every single thing that is going to happen in the film.
― ^likes tilt-a-whirls (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 8 January 2009 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
One of them, actually stole a pack of match-ES, and tried toburn it down. But I corrrrrected them.
― Joe, Thursday, 8 January 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
How is Barry Lyndon anti-exposition? Between the narrator and the title cards, he literally tells you in writing of nearly every single thing that is going to happen in the film.― Pancakes Hackman
― Pancakes Hackman
Eeks. With regard to Barry Lyndon, I meant thematic exposition. Not only are we told what's happening, we're walked though the quotidian minutia for several hours. But, for me, the film's big quesion is: "Why does any of this matter? Why Barry Lyndon?" And on that subject, the film keeps resolutely mum. But that's just my take, and in describing Barry Lyndon as "anti-exposition", I suppose I'm using the phrase in a non-standard sense.
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah BL is almost a opaque as 2001 for me...been a long time since i've seen it tho!
― ryan, Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah, OK, I see where you're coming from on BL. Makes sense!
― ^likes tilt-a-whirls (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Got the blu-ray of this today and am, frankly, amazed by the quality of the transfer and how it looks in HD. Watching Vivian Kubrick's making of documentary also opened my eyes about just how much was put into getting the look of it right; I knew that the interiors were all on set in Elstree, but it's so easy to forget that when watching the film and it looks utterly like a real hotel. I certainly hadn't realised that the colossal exterior of the Overlook used in the early outdoor scenes and during the snowbound climax was all a set as well.
There's a nice bit of interview too where Nicholson is talking about the actorly obsession with methods of different kinds and the quest for "realness" and when he discussed this with Kubrick his response was "real isn't necessarily very interesting".
― Bill A, Thursday, 5 February 2009 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html
Here's an interesting article which proves that The Shining is actually a coded message from Kubrick, where he confesses he faked the Apollo moon landing.
― Tuomas, Friday, 29 October 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Must watch this movie today!
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0057.jpgomg
― tylerw, Friday, 29 October 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Seven Apollo missions went to the moon, but only six landed. Six crates of 7-up.
Awesome.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0053.jpg
Jack, his family, and the Overlook Hotel, are trapped in the Cold, just as America was trapped in the Cold War with Russia. The stuffed bears, seen through out the film, are the Soviet Empire's symbol.Symbolically the Bears seen through the film are also the representation of the pressure that the Russians put on the USA to get to the Moon. They had to fake the moon landings and cover up the real truth behind the flying saucer craft and machinery that the US government actually has created and employed since World War Two.
Symbolically the Bears seen through the film are also the representation of the pressure that the Russians put on the USA to get to the Moon. They had to fake the moon landings and cover up the real truth behind the flying saucer craft and machinery that the US government actually has created and employed since World War Two.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0066.jpghttp://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0069.jpg
Danny is literally carrying a symbolic Apollo 11, on his body, via the sweater, to the Moon as he walks over to room 237. Why do I think this?Because the average distance from the Earth to the Moon is 237,000 miles.
Because the average distance from the Earth to the Moon is 237,000 miles.
LOL
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i have never seen this movie, nor will i ever. im scared shitless by it.
― Str8 Drapin It (chrisv2010), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
overlook hallway carpeting is so badass
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
The funniest thing is, I've read some "serious" analyses of The Shining that make equally broad conclusions based on minuscule details as the moon landing guy.
― Tuomas, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
In high school, I was once at the house of Tim Daly (of Wings fame; his son went to my school & we were in an a cappella group together). On a shelf, surrounded by dozens of other VHS cassettes, was a hand-labeled tape titled "THE SHINNING."
I always think of that when someone mentions this movie; I wonder what THE SHINNING, as a different movie, could be like, and whether it would star Tim Daly.
― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkgKRMlp90
― omar little, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Gonna use this opportunity to repost the Physical Cosmologies analysis, which is pretty convincing and a damn wonderful read!
http://www.mstrmnd.com/log/802
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMoBo9f40I
― Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
xp goddamit omar
The funniest thing is, I've read some "serious" analyses of The Shining that make equally broad conclusions based on minuscule details as the moon landing guy.yeah there's one (which i think was linked to on ILX somewhere) that was fairly convincing in some respects ... but totally batshit in others.
― tylerw, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
oh xpost - that's the one i'm talking about, adam. kinda fascinating.
The funny thing about that Tim Daly story is that his Wings co-star Steven Weber went on to star in the Stephen King-approved TV miniseries version of "The Shining."
― Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
omg i never knew that -- that might explain what was on the tape, and why it was home-recorded! lol thx phil
― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 th 1999.Stanley Kubrick insisted in his contract that this be the date of the release.July 16 th 1999 is exactly 30 years to the day that Apollo 11 was launched.
Stanley Kubrick insisted in his contract that this be the date of the release.
July 16 th 1999 is exactly 30 years to the day that Apollo 11 was launched.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I present this tidbit of an interpretation to show not only that Stanley Kubrick directed the Apollo moon landings but also to ask NASA to release all of Kubrick's Apollo moon landing footage in their original, glorious 70 mm film.
would he settle for a blu ray release
― mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Friday, 29 October 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
That fits, as it scares no one shitless while they are watching it.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 October 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I have seen the shining scare plenty of ppl oh wait it's dr morbius
― mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Saturday, 30 October 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you for this link, tuomas!
― the waning trend (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
This explains why the previous "caretaker" was so pressured and stressed that he had to kill his TWIN daughters.
Why?................Because the previous NASA missions before Apollo were named Gemini!
― Hugo Stiglitz, a rich young man in search of romance & adventure (Pillbox), Saturday, 30 October 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's another site with an incredibly complex analysis based on tiny details in the movie. For example, according to the site a commentary on the genocide of Native Americans is hidden in the food cans you can see on the background in the storage room scenes.
I'm not saying these analyses are invalid, it's perfectly possible Kubrick meant to hide those messages in the movie. If that's true though, it begs the question: if you want to make a statement on American history, why the hell hide it in cryptic background items most viewers are not even gonna notice?
― Tuomas, Monday, 1 November 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Because Kubrick had OCD resulting in an extreme attention to detail in his movies?
― Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Monday, 1 November 2010 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Kubrick's daughter's documentary :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4745727919325920852
― calstars, Friday, 12 August 2011 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
Here's another page with some more links to interpretation essays:
http://theshining.20m.com/
― calstars, Sunday, 5 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/01/documentary-room-237-sundance/
― ‘Neuroscience’ and ‘near death’ pepper (Eazy), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
My favorite detail is how the carpeting changes after the ball is rolled toward Danny while he plays with his toys down the hall from Room 237:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2567539/shining_danny1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2567539/shining_danny2.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2567539/shining_danny3.jpg
― calstars, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
a MOMENTARY LOSS of MUSSSSSSSCULAR COORDINATION! a few extra foot-pounds of energy per second per SECOND!
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
Something must be in the air!
http://io9.com/5882985/watch-this-insane-breakdown-of-stanley-kubricks-hidden-narrative-in-the-shining
Using unpublished info from the Stanley Kubrick Archives as a key source, Kubrick's Gold Story is a film analysis that uncovers economic themes encoded in The Shining with regard to gold vs fiat monetary systems.
― You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Strange, I remember 1980 audience laughing at most of the stuff the guy is surprised about here.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/i-saw-the-last-showing-of-the-warner-bros-35mm-print-of-the-shining/
And though I've never come around to liking this film, it's a shame there are going to be even more "last 35mm screenings."
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
guess many of the Shining lovers here have never seen it in 35mm
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link