things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

Food stuff. People can eat whatever the hell they want and shouldn't be given shit about it.

― Jeff, Monday, February 13, 2012 11:26 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there is no law against eating whatever u want, the moratorium on shit giving may run afoul of the 1st amendment tho

prostitution's an "easy" one right? i'm p libertarian about prostitutes

how many do you own

I'm interested in trading some of mine

that's the thing i'm libertarian about they should be free to choose who they want, all of mine want only me sorry

that's what they think now but I can offer then part ownership in my staten island sword swingers mlb team

I'm a free speech absolutist, which is kind of ho-hum in the US, but makes it impossible to find a political home in most European countries if you're otherwise leftist.

yeah euros are so uptight about a little free expression don't get it

after living in the UK for awhile i have to say it's really nice to live somewhere that prohibits election ads

God, that would be awesome.

yeah, i just don't know if there is any way in hell to square that with a constitutional guarantee of protected political speech

-believe ppl shd not talk in the library
-they shd bring their books back on time
-homeless ppls shdnt look at porn on the computers
-no running
-no food or drinks allowed inside

all of those beliefs are secret-fascist not secret-libertarian including the idea that libraries should exist

i think i've said this b4 but i'm kinda libertariany about 'the arts'.

suspect a secret-fascist thread on ilx would be way longer than this one

i can't even think of all the things i would have to contribute also i wear my fascism openly

also not-so-secret

xp lol

i want that nazi haircut that's so hot right now

things you're secretly kinda fascisty about
alright

after living in the UK for awhile i have to say it's really nice to live somewhere that prohibits election ads

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:35 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yes. party political broadcasts are amazing.

h. ignoring regulatory 'race to the bottom' type arguments w/ developing countries, there's nothing morally better about an american having a job than someone in another developed country having a job

that said i'm p 'libertarian party' when it comes to guns

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

woah BIG HOOS pack heat like the oven door!

h. ignoring regulatory 'race to the bottom' type arguments w/ developing countries, there's nothing morally better about an american having a job than someone in another developed country having a job

― iatee, Monday, February 13, 2012 1:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this libertarian? i'm libertarian about this, too!

it turns libertariany when you draw out the policy implications

People who think a practice should be banned because they saw on TV that someone got hurt doing it will be made to wear armbands. (not sure if this is more libertariany or fascisty)

eh, I think 12 year olds can make decisions as informed & rational about their futures & educations as most adults do

Wait, seriously?

I'm a free speech absolutist, which is kind of ho-hum in the US

How absolute though? Are you fine with e.g. death threats? Libel/slander? Deliberate misinformation in journalism or education?

people ought to be able to buy, sell and trade whatever they like in any manner they like, provided that the product's risks are clearly communicated.

prostitution should be legal. same with public nudity, at least in certain contexts.

people have a "basic human right" to endanger and even end their own lives.

otoh, i'm very much in favor of gun control.

prostitution should be legal. same with public nudity, at least in certain contexts.

like, say, "in public"

so you're okay w/ flashers?

death threats = not protected (as assault) when believable; Libel/slander and deliberate misinformation = can't be forbidden but can lead to civil liability; Nazi stuff = free and open (because easily contractible); Hate speech = see Nazi stuff but see also death threats; pornography and violent imagery = legal but access restrictable, might be evidence of prosecutable crimes committed in its production but is not in itself contraband.

The Nazi stuff seems to be the stickiest wicket where I live. It's dumb, because boneheads do use the "they ban our words because they fear our truths" arguments very effectively 'round here.

being 'libertariany' about zoning should really go in the fascisty thread -- basically you want to remove all local power over land use in favor of a larger body or plan.

it's less land-use restrictive but very politically restrictive, if that makes sense. nimby politics are like the most ancient kind of politics.

so you're okay w/ flashers?

no! that's why i made that "certain contexts" caveat.

xp to goole:

sorta, but local vs national is sorta on another political axis. it's like if the fed gov't passed a law against a local gov't's tax or welfare program.

getting flashed is super hilarious though

if flashing were legal it would prob lose its appeal to a lot of people fast

Smoking bans
Mandatory seat-belt laws

getting flashed is super hilarious though

You are speaking purely about yourself on that, I presume.

if flashing were legal it would prob lose its appeal to a lot of people fast

yes and no. people wouldn't be as able to get away with "shocking" nudity, but yr tossers and bone flashers would probably still get a sick thrill. not on board w everybody gets to be naked all the time everywhere as social policy, at least not in the here and now. but i definitely think we would all benefit by substantially lowering the american prudishness threshhold.

American prudishness is evergreen.

lol a guy once masturbated at me on a beach and i kept laughing and he kept getting more into it and the more he got into it the funnier i thought it was. it is a shame this has only happened once, laughter is an excellent stress reliever and works the abs

u should try masturbation

thats more of a tricep exercise

if you do it the boring way, ya sure

i thought i was a 'free speech absolutist' until citizens united happened and suddenly every libertarian i was friends with was crowing on their FB or twitter about what a great victory it was for the 1st amendment.

not really 'libertariany' about drugs either; i don't think the country would be better off if you could buy crack cocaine and heroin at wal-mart.

i. gov't should not subsidize disaster insurance

This shit: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/tories-on-e-snooping-stand-with-us-or-with-the-child-pornographers/article2336889/

May be an easy one though.

Maybe, like, farm subsidies? For the most part, though, libertarians seem emotionally immature and willfully ignorant of history. Libertarianism would probably be really great in a perfect world with an enlightened populace, but I mean...

I don't know that they're willfully "ignorant of history" so much as that they're deliberately ahistorical, which is even more problematic imo. Get into a debate with one of these doctrinaire Von Mises/Hayek types and watch how quickly they try to move the terms of discussion from actually existing social relations to abstractions like "liberty" and "coercion." Watch a Rothbard as he runs as fast as he can from the world into the comforting arms of metaphysics, because he and his ilk know that if you get into the nitty gritty of history their principles are easily contradicted by reality.

So these kinda ~intellectual pillars~ are deliberately ahistorical as a rhetorical tactic--it's the only ground on which they can get close to winning arguments--and their followers take this historical shallowness and treat it as the height of reason. If you're not arguing principle--that is, if you're talking about history and the real world--then they don't think your argument is sufficiently high-minded. "What about principle," they'll press you. When you tell them that 50 years of horrific American child labor are a pretty good argument against letting "the free market" sort out child labor issues, they'll accuse you of selling out the principle of voluntary labor.

It's all very backing-into-a-corner-firing-a-machine-gun in rhetorical style, which I suppose is fitting given that so many of them end up that way in reality too.

hoos OTM, all kinds of M