not really, stadiums are a pretty shitty use of space and mostly get built cause taxpayers love em
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
w/o zoning nyc would have far far more residential housing
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
yup
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
London has, what, 6-8 legit soccer franchises (ie capable of staying in the PL on the reg) with no competition equivalent to the NBA, NFL or NHL.NYC might be able to support one more MLB team, but it's more likely that a Euro model would contract teams overall and NYC would stick at 2.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
presumably farm teams could continue being owned by their parent clubs and things would stay relatively the same as far as the A-ball --> big leagues career path goes
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Was thinking, if the average house in Detroit is now, what, $8000 or whatever, could some multi-millionaire just move in, but a few dozen square blocks, and build his own new city?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah sure man do whatever u want
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
yes, but nobody would come because his city would be in detroit
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
Like Lesotho.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
Farm teams are generally owned independently of MLB teams with deals in place that tie them to the big league team.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah sorry i shouldn't have said "owned" because they are very rarely actually owned by the parent club right?
i dunno, just try it out and see what happens! i guess you could have a rule that any time 2 teams affiliated with the same parent are playing in the same division then..... uh.. hmm ok
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Food stuff. People can eat whatever the hell they want and shouldn't be given shit about it.
― Jeff, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
^^ and all health insurance should be private, right?
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 13 February 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
i think they're more often built because no mayor/executive wants to be remembered as the one who let [beloved team] get away. taxpayers may love their teams, but they're not that keen on tax money being used to build things for rich owners.
― mookieproof, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
depends on the case, sometimes stupid voters do go w/ it
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah the 20 teams in nyc would prob share like 4 stadiums
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
~efficiency~
it's almost like you don't need a stadium all to yourself if you are willing to pretend a jets fan wasn't in your seat an hour ago
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Jeff, Monday, February 13, 2012 11:26 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there is no law against eating whatever u want, the moratorium on shit giving may run afoul of the 1st amendment tho
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
prostitution's an "easy" one right? i'm p libertarian about prostitutes
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
how many do you own
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm interested in trading some of mine
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
that's the thing i'm libertarian about they should be free to choose who they want, all of mine want only me sorry
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
that's what they think now but I can offer then part ownership in my staten island sword swingers mlb team
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a free speech absolutist, which is kind of ho-hum in the US, but makes it impossible to find a political home in most European countries if you're otherwise leftist.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah euros are so uptight about a little free expression don't get it
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
after living in the UK for awhile i have to say it's really nice to live somewhere that prohibits election ads
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
God, that would be awesome.
― things you're secretly kinda libertranny about (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i just don't know if there is any way in hell to square that with a constitutional guarantee of protected political speech
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
-believe ppl shd not talk in the library-they shd bring their books back on time-homeless ppls shdnt look at porn on the computers-no running-no food or drinks allowed inside
― oneohtrix and park (m bison), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
all of those beliefs are secret-fascist not secret-libertarian including the idea that libraries should exist
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think i've said this b4 but i'm kinda libertariany about 'the arts'.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
suspect a secret-fascist thread on ilx would be way longer than this one
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
i can't even think of all the things i would have to contribute also i wear my fascism openly
also not-so-secret
xp lol
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
i want that nazi haircut that's so hot right now
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
things you're secretly kinda fascisty aboutalright
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:35 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha yes. party political broadcasts are amazing.
― caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
h. ignoring regulatory 'race to the bottom' type arguments w/ developing countries, there's nothing morally better about an american having a job than someone in another developed country having a job
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
that said i'm p 'libertarian party' when it comes to guns
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
woah BIG HOOS pack heat like the oven door!
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, February 13, 2012 1:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is this libertarian? i'm libertarian about this, too!
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
it turns libertariany when you draw out the policy implications
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
People who think a practice should be banned because they saw on TV that someone got hurt doing it will be made to wear armbands. (not sure if this is more libertariany or fascisty)
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
eh, I think 12 year olds can make decisions as informed & rational about their futures & educations as most adults do
Wait, seriously?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a free speech absolutist, which is kind of ho-hum in the US
How absolute though? Are you fine with e.g. death threats? Libel/slander? Deliberate misinformation in journalism or education?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
people ought to be able to buy, sell and trade whatever they like in any manner they like, provided that the product's risks are clearly communicated.
prostitution should be legal. same with public nudity, at least in certain contexts.
people have a "basic human right" to endanger and even end their own lives.
otoh, i'm very much in favor of gun control.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
like, say, "in public"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
so you're okay w/ flashers?
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
death threats = not protected (as assault) when believable; Libel/slander and deliberate misinformation = can't be forbidden but can lead to civil liability; Nazi stuff = free and open (because easily contractible); Hate speech = see Nazi stuff but see also death threats; pornography and violent imagery = legal but access restrictable, might be evidence of prosecutable crimes committed in its production but is not in itself contraband.
The Nazi stuff seems to be the stickiest wicket where I live. It's dumb, because boneheads do use the "they ban our words because they fear our truths" arguments very effectively 'round here.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 13 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
being 'libertariany' about zoning should really go in the fascisty thread -- basically you want to remove all local power over land use in favor of a larger body or plan.
it's less land-use restrictive but very politically restrictive, if that makes sense. nimby politics are like the most ancient kind of politics.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 13 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link