xps to ENBB: oh no, after you, please.
― The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
nr absolutist on free speech (had a fight with my housemate about this news story just last week http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-16609303)
― caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
I would be fine w/ guns being legal if they were taxed so they cost $1 billion each and all the money goes to make up for the misery they inflict on society. it would be good for capitalism cause then people would have to work really hard to afford a gun.
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah i missed zoning. no more zoning. down with the state
― max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
im like 100% ok with the state holding a monopoly on firearms but really id rather no one have guns not even soldiers. make them fight with swords again
― max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
not a big issue really, we mostly fight we robots today anyway
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
with
drones dropping swords on pakistan
― max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
gotta make sure theyre pointed down though
― max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.fromoldbooks.org/OldEngland/pages/0869-Attack-on-the-walls-of-a-besieged-town/0869-Attack-on-the-walls-of-a-besieged-town-q75-500x412.jpg
the truth about 9/11
― caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
e. state secession
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
Here's a v banal one, not for me but for my dad (because libertarianisn is really banal and boring and this should illustrate why): he bought a big van for towing/moving things. It has an electronic system that senses the air pressure in each tire, in case the driver doesn't ever, ever check and can't tell if a tire is low from how it feels to drive. (My dad can tell if the car got enough sleep last night by how it drives, I'm surprised he even bothers to take them apart to confirm his suspicions.)
The tire pressure sensor system cost several thousand bucks and was mandatory under some kind of safety measure. He was p mad about that, because he's not a person that would ever forget to check, or not notice, not like THOSE OTHER PEOPLE. And why should he have to pay for something that only protects them from their own stupidity?
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if this is anything a "real" libertarian thinks, but I don't think children should be required to attend school.
(also that we should be waaaaay more aggressive in kicking children out of school, but that's more the totalitarian in me than the libertarian)
― Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
what about a 10 y/o whose parents died
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
i think i'd be libertarian about most things if THOSE OTHER PEOPLE were a bit less dumb and a bit less dicks
or lag∞n otm
― Upt0eleven, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think children should be required to attend school.
totally disagree with u here
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
magic runes
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno about orphans, but don't think schooling is the central question there.
xp yeah I know my Dewey well enough to have p mixed feelings about my school views
― Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's pretty hard to argue that a 12 y/o can make informed and rational decisions about their future and the value of education
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
esp w/ dead parents
re: guns, I'm pretty comfortable with the federal status quo, I think states with useless 'assault-weapon' bans should alter or repeal them. Would not be averse to suppressors being easier to acquire as there's basically no negative to their use by civilians.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
'makes it easier to murder someone and not get caught' seems like it might contain some negative somewhere
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
eh, I think 12 year olds can make decisions as informed & rational about their futures & educations as most adults do
(which is obviously "not well")
― Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
there are pretty concrete differences between how a 12 y/o's brain works and how a 30 y/o's brain works and there are scientific reasons for why teenagers are more irrational than adults
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
Yep. Adolescent brain research is fascinating to me.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
The parts of the brain that are responsible for decision making aren't fully developed until the early 20s iirc.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
take away their drivers licenses, then, let them walk to whatever they want to do with their time
but I think there are a lot of children for whom formal schooling has v little value & I don't see why they should be forced to do something that has v little value. & given the quality of education most American children get, I don't see that much is lost for them qua their futures in our service-oriented futures.
― Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
you are not gonna sweet talk me w/ this take away their drivers licenses talk
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
12 year olds don't have drivers licenses
by the time you can get a drivers license you don't have to attend school anymore
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
xxp That'll do wonders for equality of opportunity.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
i firmly believe all children should be educated by gangs
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
we should demolish the boy & girl scouts and give every child a gun
― plee help i am lookin for (crüt), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
I guess that is where I get kinda libertarian-y
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
i believe all children should be educated by other children with swords
― caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
gets it^
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
― Euler, Monday, February 13, 2012 10:25 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is an argument for increasing the quality of education in america, not for increasing the number of street urchins
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Free speech! But this is pretty easy for a liberal in the USA. I stuggle with some of our newer hate crime laws. I support the idea of punishing people who engage in racially motivated intimidation and violence, but I'm uncomfortable with how the state starts getting involved with right and wrong thinking.
I love how much harder it is to sue for slander in the USA than elsewhere.
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
was replying to points about adolescent brain structure
wrt say nine year olds quitting school: if we could eliminate the schooling requirement I'd like to see adult education take a step forward to compensate, because it might be that lots of idiot children will realize they can get something of value in night classes etc. sigh: but it's hard when you have to make money. wage slavery makes these things hard.
my thinking on this is a hazy idea that the requirement of public school went hand in hand with a certain kind of economy, or better an *expectation* of a certain kind of economy, that indeed *did* exist, but has now passed, but now there's traction & we don't think about what will come next. but we ought to.
― Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
those kids are in adult education classes, you need to learn how to read and do math before you can take night classes
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
i would like to see a wider variety of educational approaches available to everyone
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
including gangs
― lag∞n, Monday, February 13, 2012 10:35 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm esp the gangs part
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Nx1WBgjY9RA/SbfA6dPUezI/AAAAAAAAAP8/qZgaCClYyA0/s400/west+all.jpeg
― Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Euler, Monday, February 13, 2012 10:25 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
poor children, for example. i'm sure there are plenty of 13 year olds whose families would be better off in the short-term if they could get a job at McDonald's instead of going to school
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
f. altho I'm for gubernment health care, we would prob be healthier if we let literally anybody practice medicine than the racket we got now
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
Are we going to ship all these hypothetical 12 year olds who have quit school to countries that allow 12 year olds to work?
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
we aren't gonna, the free market is gonna
― iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh, I meant "we" in the "secret libertarians who are going to get rich from our new libertarian paradise" way
― valleys of your mind (mh), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
despite my bedrock commitment to nearly total liberty i dont think invisible hands should be allowed to touch children
― lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link