The Watchmen: Classic, duh!

Think about it.

oh wow you have TOTALLY OPENED OUR EYES good point

http://watchmen2creatordarwyncooke.tumblr.com/

totally with earl here, Cooke is the right choice for the project. not that it had to be done in the first place, but still...

yes, he's right that Watchmen sucks because of a lack of "hope," and that he can fix it by making a story with more hope set before the hopeless one

ugh

I too idly watched a fair chunk of the Watchmen movie on cable last night and it is absolutely horrible, a completely tone-deaf rendering of the material.

that Tumblr's pretty scathing and all, but fuck it, maybe Cooke's kids need braces or something. I'm sure DC made it worth his while to eat his words, and, really, I don't see how his Parker adaptations any different in terms of servicing flawed nostalgia. I enjoyed the first one enough, but have passed on the rest (though someone let me know when he gets around to Slayground!).
This kind of fucking over (or at least complicity thereof) your forerunners is kind of part of the deal if you wanna work for DC or Marvel. If Morrison gets away with glossing over (to put it generously) DC's ongoing shit treatment of Siegel & Shuster, and now this weirdo Ghost Rider biz at Marvel...I dunno, so much of it isn't even IP management, it's Brand management.
And who knows, maybe DC will overexpose & overexploit Watchmen to the point where demand dries up, it falls out of print and rights revert back to Moore & Gibbons in time for the 30th anniversary. (unlikely, but best case scenario)

If the rights go back, it'll probably go out of print forever, if Moore's actions regarding 1963 are indicative of anything.

now this weirdo Ghost Rider biz at Marvel...

What's this referring to?

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/02/11/ghost-rider-creator-sues-marvel-17000/

Almost everything Darwyn ever does is terrific, but I'm not sure he's the "right choice." He's a pessimist, not a nihilist like Moore. Watchmen is as much about the sensibility as the characters, and I can see him cracking the latter, but not the former.

Also, I've met him a coupla times, he's a great guy, and I woulda thought this sort of work was too hacky for him.

21 Notes on Watchmen 2, excellently thought by Tom Spurgeon

a formative experience a tiny bit further in the past than Fantastic Four #1 one was when the Moore/Gibbons series hit the stands.

I was too young to read Watchmen when it came out, but holy shit is this a sobering fact

And by sobering, I mean "the comics audience lies so far to either side of this that it'll never really occur to most people how disconnected this is"

My own disappointment in Darwyn taking this job is that it's keeping from doing his own comics based on material that he's come up with himself. I've enjoyed the vast majority of his comics work, but really want to see him do his own thing. But then again, it's not any of my damn business which jobs he chooses to do or not do.

I thought the WATCHMEN flick tried to have its heart in the right place and made some horrible missteps along the way that made me really not like it at all. Less reverence would have served the film far better. Granted, 99% of the audience didn't read the source as I had, but every shot call out to the original material just jumped right the hell out and reminded me that it was a shadow cast by another work.

I thought the Watchmen movie sucked.

the Watchmen movie thread on ILX was very ugh

I haven't seen all of his films, but the only thing of Zack Snyder's I've found tolerable was his Dawn of the Dead remake!

But back to the point: that tumblr repeatedly posting the cover image of the Azzarello series is way, way on point.

The point of Watchmen was that it was a cynical take on the genre. I mean, there have been series already playing out such takes -- like The Authority and the entire history of post-Watchmen inward-looking comics. The best part of the story was that the characters were cutout archetypes. Once you flesh them out, they're no longer just cutouts and the original series has a different context and... ugh.

I thought the WATCHMEN flick tried to have its heart in the right place and made some horrible missteps along the way that made me really not like it at all. Less reverence would have served the film far better.

That's just it -- it was a reverent adaption by someone who had somehow missed the whole point

The comic's strength was in showing the sketchiness of the whole superhero endeavor, that each character had their own reasons for doing it and their own human strengths and failings. Treating the idea of their being superheros seriously. The point of the movie was LOOK MOM I MADE A SUPERHERO MOVIE THAT IS SERIOUS.

His DAWN OF THE DEAD is really good until it becomes just a sorta regular action movie and then tries to lower the boom at the end. But man, that first 15 minutes are gripping.

Fast Company cobbles together a bunch of different statements from Moore into a faux-interview-statementy-thingo.

Been reading the Before Watchmen series, started out with what I presumed would be the best one, Cooke's Minutemen series. And it was shockingly good!
Question that's killing me though - who is the blonde-haired orphan ("Jacob"?) in the serial killer's photo (from the Comedian's final story) supposed to be? Adrian?

FIRST LOOK! #DoomsdayClock #1 has what I think is the coolest lenticular cover ever. Thank you, Dave! @1moreGaryFrank @bdanderson13 11/22/17 pic.twitter.com/UltJCZFI6G

— Geoff Johns (@geoffjohns) August 30, 2017

thought for a minute that that was a heart at 12 o'clock. not sure if the actuality is better or lamer.

i am powerfully unhyped for this

I wish I had Photoshop installed so I could turn those blots into Alan Moore's face, a middle finger, and three dollar signs.

This is like when young people like shitty bands and it makes you feel old, except the young people are older men and it makes me feel completely neutral

lol

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/watchmen-hbo-damon-lindelof-1202818921/

Those original twelve issues are our Old Testament. When the New Testament came along it did not erase what came before it. Creation. The Garden of Eden. Abraham and Isaac. The Flood. It all happened.

Sounds like he has the inevitably overwrought ’tude toward the subject matter...

Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

Ah – I steer clear of ILE

Shivers at the phrase "true fans"

Uuuugggggghhhhhh

Rorschach may have spoken truth, but he wasn't a hero. Enter a new mystery in RORSCHACH by @TomKingTK and @jfornes74: https://t.co/OHw9cO3Qtt #DCBlackLabel pic.twitter.com/NkBQQQuaRs

— DC (@DCComics) July 15, 2020

I saw the graphic comic. His mask is actually a woman’s dress.

— EvanBarracuda14 (@EvanBarracuda14) July 15, 2020

*mind blown*

i'll give it a chance because i still like Tom King

also DC Black Label has been retaining good cover designers

That 'Batman: Damned' book is really nice. I have it on my stack to read next.

hope Alan enjoys this. maybe after watching the tv series

in his flat in London

Alan famously resides in his hometown of Northampton, sic. surprised at that from you

I base all my Alan Moore knowledge on the public statements of Zack Snyder, as fact-checked by entertainment media

Anyways, within a few decades people would still have forgotten the alien and the cold war would be back in effect, unless Ozymandias would keep bombarding the Earth again and again with new aliens.

just finished the tv show and saw this early thread comment !

ahh ... just re-read - its a quote from an AM interview.
that makes more sense now.

perhaps AM gave lindelof some pointers

Along with his blessing.

If Dr. Manhattan had just destroyed all nukes on earth, like the Star Child in 2001 or Superman in Superman IV, there wouldn't be a need for any of it.

that's not a quote from Alan Moore, it's a quote from Tuomas!

Wait...did no one ever tell you? Perhaps you should sit down for a moment.