But, even though Tyler did take it to his r.a., and was going to get another roommate, when he'd first discussed this with his friend online, he'd worried he'd end up with somebody even worse. And speaking of electronic breadcrumbs, he may have decided that, even if he started using motel rooms and got smarter online, all manner of shit could just go on and on.
a small point, but, I think this is k misrepresentative, & slightly mitigates how unacceptable what the other guy did, say bc it happened in a world of unacceptable thing - this was kinda addressed by the article's focus on "drama" vs "bullying"; going through whatever hassle and having to decide how you feel about it is part of going through something, and it feels wrong to use someone on the receiving end's uncertainty - or perhaps tendency to generously wish that they hadn't been put in a position where they'd have to 'get someone in trouble' &c - as a gauge of the thing itself. w/all the caveats about what you can possibly know from an article, it seemed like it sucked a lot for him & bothered him, stayed on his mind. the extent to which that's discernible from the image he's projecting while IMing his friend, trying to be breezier & non-personal about it while still expressing frustration, was one of the sadder things about the article imo.
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 10:17 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't get a chance to finish that whole webcame article yet, but one thing that really stood out for me from the first half was how depressing it was that everyone involved was so casually tossing out slurs in both directions over IM. Obviously the homophobia directed at Tyler, but also the when Tyler IMed about his roommate's parents "totally owning a Dunkin Donuts".
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't mean to mitigate what Ravi did, or to make Tyler a poster child for cyber-dystopia, just speculating about the feelings which Ravi fatally intensified, though didn't originate. (Tyler's mother, who of course disavows the reaction to Tyler's coming out, as he'd described it in another electronic breadcrumb, and says there were no signs of suicidal thought, does mention T. having *her* take him around to look at various bridges.) Nineteen is such a dangerous age, I almost didn't make it through, and I've known several people who didn't.
― dow, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
"everyone involved was so casually tossing out racial slurs", yeah, quite a swath. The other Tyler C. made some pretty mature comments,though. Would like to see a more extensive interview with him. Oh, and Amy Davidson's post re Eastwood's Superbowl commercial was brilliant!
― dow, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
john lurie story was wat.
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
wow that face transplant story! i was tearing up on the subway
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
tearing up your face?
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
tear&replace
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
thats a p sweet title for a romantic horror comedy
― BJ O (Lamp), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
story of my lyfe
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
Mr. Steal Your Face (and Replace It)
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
can someone link to the transplant story
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
and/or the plagiarism story
very hard 2 use google
I don't think those articles are available online.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
o
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
the transplant one isn't.
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
can someone summarize it for me then
― iatee, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Nic-Cage-Face-Off-Gif.gif
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/2c/f7/2cf7c8d5c96d30d3ef264ce5385ec1c7.JPG<-pre accidentfucked up go nowhere dude on a cherry picker whacks his head against a live power line, burns his entire head down to the bone. loses his teeth, his eyes, his lips, his nose, his cheeks, ears, chunks of bone, chin, everything. They reconstruct to "Melon Head", click here if you're comfortable seeing that.Pioneering surgeons take the face off a donor and we go through the process and history of transplants. Dude seems to be taking to it well. He reembraced god; very supportive family. real nightmare situation and dude came out with some semblance of profoundly damaged normality on the other end.http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/05/09/DallasWiens-AP110509018062_540x405.jpgDude can smell again, is getting feeling in his face and regaining some fine motor control. It's heavy heavy shit.
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
they talk about the face that they transplant on to him as being "the size of a hubcap".
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
that's a good story
― iatee, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
well obvs there's a lot more to it than that
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
They talk about connecting the carotid artery to the detached face like plugging a dead battery into a power source.
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
this is getting into tldr territory
― iatee, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
what are you guys doing not subscribing to the nyer anyway tho
― diln (k3vin k.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
I don't want to die when the unread stack topples over and blocks the only entrance out of my apartment
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
One of the reasons I subscribed is that my boss subscribes and I respect his opinion. Yesterday he told me his subscription was a gift, he never reads them because he doesn't have time, and every few weeks he dumps a pile in the work kitchen, only for the cleaners to bin them.
― Wub wub wub wubwubwubwub wub Pzzzzzzz WUBB wubwub (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
gotta go sometime xp
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
I'm.....terrified of reading Franzen's essay on Edith Wharton.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe he's mimicking Edmund Wilson's "Justice to Edith Wharton"?
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Oooh, I'm excited, a writer who makes me want to vomit writing about another writer that makes me want to vomit.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
I love Wharton: her short stories are underrepresented in anthologies. And The House of Mirth is a masterpiece of cruelty.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
why do you dislike wharton so much mr. que?
― BJ O (Lamp), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
Alfred, have u spoken on ilx before about your Wharton love or did I just somehow always know u loved her?
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
her writing style just bores me to tears
i also find myself enjoying narrative in fiction less and less, so this is a personal problem
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
I've mentioned it casually in other threads.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
ive never read wharton & dont have a high opinion of franzen esp his non-fic/criticism but i really liked it & learned a bunch
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, and Amy Davidson's post re Eastwood's Superbowl commercial was brilliant!
ty for yr posts, dow& i've read a couple of AD things recently that have been not-amazing, but she's one of the best commentators i think, her prose is exquisite & she always appropriately, accurately directs her anger
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
This double ish is pretty solid. Even the Mayer, which is yet another in a recent series of "powerful right wing agitators who will not go on the record" pieces. Face piece is amazing, plagiarist piece great. Kids TV essay pretty well-timed. Ross on Glass fair and fresh for such a frequent subject.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 February 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Article on the plagiarist was good, though I found myself wishing it had gone more into the role of the Internet in plagiarism detection. There are so many books on Google Books these days, all searchable to some degree, that modern-day plagiarists are taking a bigger risk than ever.
― jaymc, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
Or maybe that's just taken for granted.
― jaymc, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
the plagiarism thing is intersting because everyone wants it to be some high art thing or at least a hilarious prank but its just some sad man w/very conventional motivations, in that way it is a metaphor for life
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.austinkleon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/steal-cover-3d.jpg
― Mr. Que, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, that face transplant piece is truly profound - and profoundly ironic - on so many levels. Here's this kid with nothing to live for whose face gets burned off, down to the skull, by an electric line. While in the process of essentially dying, he claims he sees Hell, and his religious rebirth gives him the faith and strength to persevere through multiple surgeries that even with their unlikely, surreal successes have left him blind and only with partial sensation. And even then, no one knows how long his new face will work for. And beyond that, there are all these psychological implications of a face transplant, from the different feel (both internally and externally) to, say, difference colors eyes, a borrowed identity helping him restore his own identity. Plus the ironies of his faith in a God that would allow him to be painfully disfigured in the first place yet who simultaneously gives him strength to survive said ordeal. Just incredible all around. And then there's this other aspect, of the implicit link between the practical miracle of science and the more nebulous magic of God, that his faith in God and religion complements these radical surgeries which in turn ratify man's incredible command of the human form (which was created, of course, as the story goes, in God's image). And so on. Truly remarkable stuff. I can barely fathom how I would cope with such an ordeal.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 February 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
& i've read a couple of AD things recently that have been not-amazing, but she's one of the best commentators i think, her prose is exquisite & she always appropriately, accurately directs her anger
I actually find some of her rhetorical formations -- particularly how she'll stretch a GOP talking point to an absurdly literal degree -- to lack empathy and generosity, though why I feel this way when she critiques Republicans I have no idea.
― omar leeettle (Leee), Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
Here's this kid with nothing to live for whose face gets burned off, down to the skull,
tagline 4 ghost rider
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
Josh otm; that article has been haunting me a bit.
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 12 February 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
The Atlantic, but a really good companion to Lizza's "Obama Memos": http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/obama-explained/8874/
― omar leeettle (Leee), Monday, 13 February 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
That Jane Mayer piece scared the shit outta me.
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link