Rolling Metal Thread 2012

Haha, yeah, I forgot to mention upthread that the last time I saw them they were definitely singing live otherwise they'd be a little embarrassed about the quality of the pre-recorded tracks.

I only noticed it on the one song, and it was the very first one (Blasteroid, I think?). A Brent song with a very tuneful vocal. I didn't think it was likely, but I'm sure what I saw and I had a good view.

It has come out that Sharon Osbourne fired Bill Ward... the hits keep on coming.. what a miserable Cunt!

So...if you're gonna be in Berlin this weekend, come hear me talk about German thrash!

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If that Bill Ward rumour is true, it'll hardly be a surprise.

And Phil, I would if I could! Best of luck with all that.

Its not a surprise, but fucking shameful and I wish people would boycott their tour. <---- so not gonna happen, but man, it really bums me out

I can't for the life of me imagine why anybody who cares about the music of Black Sabbath in any way would go see Black Sabbath in 2012 - it's like saying "I don't care about their music, I just want to say I was in the same building as the guys who once made good music"

I think they have it in them to make great music still, look at that second Heaven & Hell record.. awesome songs on that record. I just think that doing it without Bill Ward is totally disrespectful, in the same way Van Halen was disrespectful to Micheal Anthony, and that new record is great!! but would've been perfect with MA.. its just a sad reminder that its the music business..

Well, as someone who's lived in places that have had no hope in hell of having the original Black Sabbath play there, if I had the chance I would absolutely go in a heartbeat, Bill Ward or no Bill Ward, teleprompter Ozzy, whatever. Same reason I'm going to see Deep Purple Mark VIII next week. Never had the chance before. Do now. Love the band's music. Bought my ticket.

100 times out of 100 I'd sooner go and watch Bolt Thrower.

I saw Sabbath the last time they headlined Ozzfest - what was that, 2005? Were they the same band as the Paris footage from 1970 that you can see on YouTube? Hell, no. Were they even the same band as the California Jam footage? No. Were they still great in a magisterial, old-kings kind of way? Fuck yes. And yes, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward were still a crushing rhythm team. I don't know how much damage seven more years and lymphoma has done to them - I suspect at this point Ozzy might well be the healthiest one of 'em, which is a frankly bizarre concept. But he's become quite a good performer lately - his 2010 tour was astonishing. Still, no Ward, no interest from this corner. Not in the album, and certainly not in the tour. And frankly, even if he does wind up coming back, I don't think I'll listen then, because it'll feel like he got crowbar'ed into it.

I can't for the life of me imagine why anybody who cares about the music of Black Sabbath in any way would go see Black Sabbath in 2012 - it's like saying "I don't care about their music, I just want to say I was in the same building as the guys who once made good music"

Explain that to the band. Their appropriate response would likely be, "Go fuck yourself, mate."

Given that the band and Rubin intend to tap into the sound of their early albums, I'm excited. Chances are, it won't suck and it won't rival their best work, but I think it could be good.

Regarding Bill Ward, from his statement at http://www.billward.com/, he never says exactly what he was asking for in his contract. Maybe he was asking for more money than Geezer and Tony. We really don't know the details. Tony is willing to work while going through treatment for cancer. Kind of makes Bill's issue seem a bit petty.

I saw Dio & the guys as Heaven & Hell a couple years back because I loved their first couple albums. The fact that their new album was actually pretty decent was a bonus. I'm glad I got to see Dio before he passed. If I had turned my nose up at the opportunity, I'd feel like a real asshole right now.

I doubt Sabbath will be touring this year, with Tony's illness. Let's just hope he recovers and he can eventually play, and we can count ourselves lucky to see the man perform once again.

Given that the band and Rubin intend to tap into the sound of their early albums

lol and there was me expecting an earnest attempt at a 'Headless Cross' redux

XP: You may be right about Bill Ward but it seems highly fucking unlikely that he was asking for anything other than 25%. He did so in a very reasonable, un-shit-talking way. He's got every right to bail out on this, if they're going to start arguing some incontinent drunk who doesn't know the words to any of the songs deserves a bigger cut than him.

I can't for the life of me imagine why anybody who cares about the music of Black Sabbath in any way would go see Black Sabbath in 2012 - it's like saying "I don't care about their music, I just want to say I was in the same building as the guys who once made good music"

I have always had trouble with this line of thinking, because we aren't all able to see every artist performing at their peak until time machines come around and then, damn will those shows be packed. I'd rather see Black Sabbath 2012 than to not ever experience them live.

yeah I guess I just differ there - I think plenty of rock acts can be good many years into their careers (I'd go see a John Cale solo set in a minute & the first time I saw him play solo was, like, twenty years ago, and he'd already been doing it for 10+ years) but I don't think of Sabbath as one of them. I'll ride for Gillan-era Sabs even but I can't imagine enjoying watching Ozzy in his present condition.

I can't imagine enjoying watching Ozzy in his present condition.

I'm telling you straight, as someone who saw him play a two-hours-plus concert in 2010, he is not in the condition you think he's in.

Someone recently made that same comment of not wanting to check out older acts in regards to Van Halen, not wanting to see a drunken spandexed Roth rolling around the stage not singing the songs very well.. How and why do people get these twisted notions of what these older guys are doing?

I'd see Van Halen tho I gather the weak link there is Eddie half the time. I'd also see Wire. There's a ton of older acts that seem worth seeing, I'm not making a sweeping condemnation, I'm saying Sabbath live seems like a sure miss to me

for me basically "at least I can say I saw them" isn't ever going to be a priority for me with any act

I saw those 4 guys on the '98/'99 Reunion and they were fucking great--except for Ozzy. But I believe that he might be in better for now.

Also, Bill Ward probably didn't even want 20%. I bet he just wanted more than 6% or whatever they offered him. The problem of course is that the other 3 guys would rather keep the money and spend a lot less on a session drummer who is a lot healthier and more reliable.

It's sad as I'd prefer to see Ward. But if I was the other guys, I'd want a pro who is currently in working order.

Ultimately, I'll listen to whatever they produce and judge it then and there.

Ozzy was pretty much winded by the end of the half-hour set I saw him do it the Sunset Strip Music Festival a few years back. I'm pretty skeptical that he's in better shape these days.

Um… YES.

http://184.173.71.130//14004/PromoImage.jpg

Liking the Priest-ish cover there...

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love those guys

lawl was just limbering up to post that to noteworthy covers thread

only halfway through the actual album as I type but the intro to 'Endless Corpse' is a motherfucker

Nice! So release date in March sometime?

http://vimeo.com/13091222

What a great cover that is!

it's like something out of a dario argento film!

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

sean come in the metal room in spotify! viceroy and i are in there. everyone come play some quality metal until we all go into outloud later.
http://open.soundrop.fm/s/VjWCayQ8GaB04GHI

http://www.metalsucks.net/2012/02/10/oh-cmon-guys-the-new-in-flames-album-wasnt-that-bad/

As you may be aware, In Flames and Trivium are in the midst of a co-headlining tour. But last night’s show in Albuquerque, New Mexico (Meth capital of the world!!!) apparently ended prematurely… due to a bomb threat.

In Flames guitarist Niclas Engelin said on his Facebook page, “What the fuck is going on!! We just had to cancel our show due to bomb threat…we are over here to entertain!”, and posted the below photo:

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/426672_10150561438927530_655432529_8914102_1781495405_n.jpg

We have no additional details right now, although given that there have been no reports of a venue in New Mexico exploding, it would seem that authorities either located the bomb in time, or the whole thing was a prank by some idiot fifteen year-old. I would wager it was the latter. That kid is a dick, and probably a Winds of Plague fan to boot.

We’ll let you know if we get any more info on what went down. In the meantime, the tour resumes tonight in Denver.

yeah, went in there Kerr.. easily confused me..lol!

are you still in there?

I don't know.. lol!

Enjoying a bottle of Mikkeller Beer Geek Brunch Weasel and listening to the Christian Mistress - Agony And Opium for the first time in a year. Forgot how kickass it is. Can't wait to hear the new one!

I'm still listening to the Abscess album from 2010

Christ almighty that's a crushing fuckin record

yes, it is!

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Mercyful Fate and Death are always being played in the spotify/soundrop metal room and I've been really digging it. I need to hear more. Where's the best place to start?

oh man dude those are two of my favorite bands ever. the first two Mercyful Fate albums, Melissa and Don't Break the Oath, are absolute metal canon in my book. People's mileage varies with later stuff but to me In the Shadows is totally in the same class as those earlier two and Time is pretty fucking great; the first two songs on it are among my favorite MF songs ever, especially "Angel of Light," all-time jam right there.

According to me every Death album is worth getting but which ones you like best will vary according to what it is you like about them. Human was the first proper death metal album I ever heard so that was my entry; it's when they're starting to get really proggy/tech-y. Still love that and Symbolic best I think. But the earlier ones, Spiritual Healing, Leprosy, and Scream Bloody Gore, those are all good, too - there's more audible bridges between those & thrash imo, whereas when you get to Human, they're becoming a band who are sort of off in their own world, which is how Chuck's been described to me by people who were in the Tampa scene at the time - he just did his own thing, was sort of apart from the scene.

really good rundown on the Death discography at the band's website - explains the various lineups. Human is basically Chuck S. & the guys from Cynic, which at that time in metal history is to my ears a pretty perfect meeting of minds

quite proggy then?

yeah, pretty breakneck prog though - the speed never lets up. the next one, individual thought patterns, features Andy LaRoque - guitarist from the King Diamond band! Do read that linked rundown, it's really a great concise history.

but do get those first two Mercyful Fate albums without delay, they're the business

(I should be clear, when I say prog I'm thinking of progressive death, which is kind of its own genre - it owes clear debts to 70s prog but doesn't really sound like it at all)

yeah i get what you mean. prog but not flashy for the hell of it stuff?

but do get those first two Mercyful Fate albums without delay, they're the business

Absolutely, it simply doesn't get any better than those two albums. Don't Break the Oath has some of the most insane riffing you will ever hear.

is the high pitched stuff constant or just now and again?

King's voice is all over the place on those records, but yeah, you'd have to get used to the high-pitched stuff. He times those moments brilliantly.

yeah, don't break the oath really is one of the best metal albums there is. and the riffs will prob hook you but you'll grow to love king diamond's vox, AG.

plus, it's on spotify. not much to lose here. listen to it!