fall out boy - folie à deux poll

anyway best pop-rock record of however many years

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, February 4, 2012 2:42 AM

^^

Have to rep for "West Coast Smoker"'s thwomping bassline, mix of choral flourishes, hardcore snarl, and Debbie Harry's rasp - "Oh hell yes / I'm a nervous wreck / The drugs just make me reset"; it's probably that or "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" for me. Love "I Don't Care"'s repurposing that line from Nirvana's "Drain You" into a T-Rex style glam stomp.

Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...? My editor & I repped really hard for this, but it seemed nobody heard it compared to Cork Tree/Infinity On High.

lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz

i find them almost more affecting because they were written by freakin pete wentz? the dude's a part-time punchline and he has this finely finely honed ability to capture these moments of being trapped in the tangle of your emotions and your reason and your behaviour and your justifications, and the consciousness of absurdity saves it from being just self-pity.

Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...?

there is something dense and close about this album which makes it almost off-putting? 'cork tree' is so light and airy by comparison. but mostly i think it was moment-passing stuff: something else has taken that spot, of being popularly disrespected* and highly beloved.

* you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped, but there is a general alt-rock consensus that this stuff isn't worthy of respect, and that reputation has lasted while the massive crowd of kids who loved it despite have dwindled or moved on.

I get the feeling that e.g. the last MCR album did better than Folie? No evidence to back this up though. I'd just assumed the large generational cohort behind the popularity of their prior two albums would have seen them comfortably coast decent numbers for Folie (cf this Nitsuh column), but no dice.

(ps: DJP to thread! I remember you enjoying Patrick Stump's solo work - did you dip back into FoB?)

Hm, I still think "Coffee's for Closers" is the best thing on here but there's some good stuff. Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.

Also, this doesn't seem to suggest that this was exactly a commercial failure, at least in the US, although it marked a drop from the sales of the previous albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_Deux_(album)#Weekly_charts

Cork Tree went 2x platinum, Infinity went 1x platinum, and this went gold.

(Re drop in sales, I'm guessing other people agreed with me about this:

Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.)

it was a total failure commercially, yeah. if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.

but yes, amazing album, still listen to it all the time. will have to think about my vote.

"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song

which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw this is bull, it's in the exact same style as the (also great) last song on Infinity, fuck PATD anyway

dude pretty. odd is awesome but okay

i mean yeah that last song on infinity had horns and shit, i just feel "20 dollar nose bleed" way more inhabits a beatles-esque pop thing, a mode that panic were also working in at the time

i just don't want to give PATD credit for anything, h8 them always

although maybe not as much lately as Gym Class Heroes and Cobra Starship. why is Stump like the only Decaydance alumnus that couldn't score a big pop hit last year?

the cobra starship and gym class heroes records that were practically half-written by stump (viva la cobra and the quilt respectively) are both great, incidentally. and the other half of the quilt is written by terius.

ok we should stay on the topic of FOB, i like you and don't enjoy seeing you suffer the shame of outing yourself as a Travie McCoy stan

dude as soon as both bands disentangled from patrick stump production they became irredeemably terrible

dom used to rep hard for this yeah? rip dom. anyway this (and the band) are prob one of my top 10 albums/acts of the 00s

dom started the 'infinity on high' thread IIRC

i'm begging you, stop before you say the first Tyga album was 'slept on' (xpost)

j0rdan, if you still haven't gotten around to From Under the Cork Tree I will :/ at you.

I mean, Folie a Deux is great and so is Infinity On High (probably better than Cork Tree, esp. at the pop fusion stuff they do here), but it's a three-album-run of greatness. Not two.

and this will be a tough call.

yeah i realized yesterday that i still need to do that

:/

'the ribbon on my wrist says do not open before christmas'

'we only good 'cause you can have almost famous friends / besides, we've got such good fashion sense'

& other histrionic gems.

it's wentz before he toned it down.

cork tree is cool but it's my least favorite of their albums

also it's totally a four album run

can't think of a pop punk album more tightly constructed than take this to your grave

I actually haven't heard take this to your grave

Feel free to :/

:/

i still have this on my itunes :S

'what a catch' almost w/o hesitation but now im thinking mb i should relisten to it

Is 'evening out with your girlfriend' worth a spin?

someday i'll appreciate in value
get off my ass and call you

but for the meantime i'll sport my brand new fashion
of waking up with pants on at 4:00 in the afternoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khb1bmJmhVQ

Is 'evening out with your girlfriend' worth a spin?

never listened :/

just realized that the 'nobody puts baby in a corner' line is "i keep my jealous close / cause" and not "i keep my jealousy cross-court"

also, total thread derail.

lol @ pete wentz pretending he can sing in that video

also, total thread derail.

totally, but i also think it's interesting how the same band that made folie a deux, three albums prior, just really wanted to make a record as good as the get up kids' four minute mile

everybody otm about pete wentz's lyrics

'i will never end up like him / behind my back, i already am'

also:

"preach electric to the microphone stand" is a pretty good lyric imo.

― dayo, Wednesday, September 1, 2010 6:13 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

w.a.m.s is a deep album cut

After a couple more listens, you guys are right: this album is actually great. Much more ambitious and sophisticated than Cork Tree. Great vocal performance.

amazing perfect classic songs, could vote for any of these:
1. "Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes" 4:17
6. "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" 3:19
7. "(Coffee's for Closers)" 4:35

also great but on a slightly lower tier:
4. "America's Suitehearts" 3:34
10. "Tiffany Blews" 3:44
12. "20 Dollar Nose Bleed" 4:17

good but I have to be in the mood for them:
5. "Headfirst Slide into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet" 3:54
9. "27" 3:12
11. "w.a.m.s." 4:38
13. "West Coast Smoker" 2:46

don't especially like but still wouldn't skip past if not in a hurry:
2. "I Don't Care" 3:34
3. "She's My Winona" 3:51
8. "What a Catch, Donnie" 4:51

i was all rmde at the guest appearances at the time but in retrospect it's so perfect for this to be the only album in history to feature both Elvis Costello and Lil Wayne

god "Coffee's For Closers" is ridiculous, i feel like not many songs keep up that kind of relentless pace of hook after hook for over 4 minutes

Totally. This must be OTM, btw, since I never heard any of these songs until today!:

if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.

Yeah. That's really accurate. It sort of baffles me that pop radio had space for something like 'Arms Race' or 'Mmrs'

And shortly before that, the hey day of pop-punk - Good Charlotte, sum41, etc.

this is the best FOB they ever did, sort of crushes me that it wasn't the massive massive MASSIVE moneymachine chart hit it deserved to be. love everything on it except for "W.A.M.S" and "west coast smoker". the five-song run from "the (shipped) gold standard" through "tiffany blews" kills me every time. have a hard time picking between "i don't care", "(coffee's for closers)", "27" and "20 dollar nose bleed". but $20 just for the hell of it.

"This Ain't a Scene..." kind of turned me off.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, February 3, 2012 11:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so insane.

"FOB they" = "thing FOB", or something

I'm downloading Infinity now.

infinity and folie are weird in that they both offer up an astonishing pop-crossover attempt right off the bat ("this ain't a scene" and "i don't care") but then tread water for a while and really come into their own only about halfway through (with "thnks fr the mmrs" and "the (shipped) gold standard"). is it that they think the fans expect the more generic stuff and frontload with it for that reason, or that they know they're badass enough to hold their best shit for the home stretch?

kind of think you're alone in regarding the lead singles as some of the best things on the albums, and i definitely don't understand your view of the running orders in general (although FAD does get really great at the halfway mark)

"America's Suitehearts" probably could've been big since it's the closest they ever came to rewriting "Sugar, We're Going Down" but god that terrible video

kind of think you're alone in regarding the lead singles as some of the best things on the albums...

― some dude, Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:22 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, me and whoever picks lead singles

you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped

Who apart from Maura/Al (& that ex-Idolator/current-Village Voice kind've crew), critic-wise, repped for this? FoB/MCR/etc seemed like such a huge critical blind spot for the Pitchfork umbrella*, and it's a shame that they're likely to undergo some sort of Hall & Oates**-style period of neglect before getting their dues.

* twentysomethings disdaining "teenage" music, etc
** good reference point for Patrick Stump, actuallly

I repped for it but got onto the album too late to pitch to pitchfork; and I'm guessing scott p would have been conscious about running a late review and what that would have been perceived to mean, if I had pitched anyway.

still crazy to me "she's my winona" got 0 votes

the high hopes song that is on the radio 24/7 now sounds like it could be on this album imo

you could have knocked
me out
with a
f
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a
t
h
e
r

come together
come apart
only get lonely when you read the charts

never the same person when i go to sleep
as when i wake up
as when i wake up

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 8:21 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

follow this disorganized religion of my head
and we'll never get through customs, let's just take off again instead

hi y'all this is the best album ever made

AGREE

as soon as we hit the hospital
i know we’re gonna leave this town (we’re never gonna leave this town)
and get new passports and get
get
get
get out, get
get
get
get out nowwwwww

YES OTM

damn gonna need to put this on soon

weird coincidence, I put FOB on shuffle for the first time in many months at almost the exact time of this revive

but DON'T let the DOCtor
don't let the DOCtor iiiiiin

butterfly BANdage but don’t WORRRRYYYYY

when he walks into the room
the walls lean in to listen

surfed
out
brain
waves
flick back and forth
like old
head
lights
sniffing model glue again

i'm a loose bolt (loose bolt)
of a complete machiiiiiine
what a match: i'm half-doomed and you're semi-
swee-eee-eee-eeeeeeeeet

DETOX

JUST TO RETOX

DETOX

JUST TO RETOX

say my name and his in the same breath
i dare you to say they taste the same
let the leaves fall off in the summer
and let december glow in flames

there should be way more songs in the world that sound like "headfirst slide"

alas, only one

it’s still incredible every time i listen to it

so boyyyyyycotttt loooooove

if home is where the heart is then we’re all just fucked

soon as we hit the HOSpiTAL i know we’re gonna leave this town

Tell that boy I'll leave you alone, now
Like a stove I'll turn my love down
Supra and the prophet are both in the business of souls

^^love this part

YOUR PUPILS! (big)
BIG! (roll)
THEY'RE ROLLING LIKE DICE!