i kind of have no idea which one to vote for
and yet i also know it's "(coffee's for closers)"
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
anyway best pop-rock record of however many years
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
the high pts are v high, few clunkers but yeah
coffees for closers vs headfirst slide vs what a catch
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:44 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit crunch, i was searching for a folie a deux poll today cuz i thought i had made one a while back
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
man i have been jamming this album this week, what a weird coincidence
ANYWAY
1. the (shipped) gold standard2. what a catch donnie3. disloyal order of water buffaloes4. headirst slide into cooperstown on a bad bet5. w.a.m.s.
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
the back half of this album is kinda cool
"w.a.m.s." has that slick production and stump doing that weird blues thing at the end, "20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song, and there's the one that's kinda hair metal-y?
this album really rules... trying to think of any rock band in the past 5 or 6 years that has put out two consecutive albums as good as 'infinity on high' and this one -- i could think of a few that might come close
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
huh yeah id thought i remembered one before too but idk
yeah i still play these songs A LOT
also, it's just weird but like the ~concept~ of folie a deux has been in my mind for a few months ever since i've seen this http://youtu.be/Euy6vE5VsMQ - i just think it's cool these guys (prob solely pat stump?) knew it was a thing or w/e
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Friday, February 3, 2012 9:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
gaslight anthem?
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
enh
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song
which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, February 3, 2012 9:56 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
my list would be like... titus andronicus, against me, los campesinos...
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
i sorta miss all the metaness of 'infinity on high' but there's a lot of lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz
also identify with lots of the self-mocking here... like "you can only blame your problems on the world for so long / before it all becomes the same old song" is often hard to listen to
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
something abt the lyric 'that time my dad called me a horseshoe crab' or w/e it is is a huge block for me in that song
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
i've learned that ppl my age get really weirded out when they learn that you're super into recent fall out boy records
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
it's "caught me a horeshoe crab"
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah "my dad caught me a horseshoe crab / and i asked if throwing it in the sea would bring our luck back"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
also wentz really comes into his own as a lyric writer on this record. i love all the lyrics of "disloyal order"
Little girl, you got me staring oddOr was that just a telescopic camera nod
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
hah that i thought it was 'called me a horseshoe crab' all these yrs, im an idiot
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
paranoid pete wentz unable to disassociate his relationships from celebrity > pete wentz who hates his girlfriend, definitely, much as i love take this to your grave
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
never the same person when i go to sleepas when i wake upas when i wake up
god this record
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
i have a thing for "tiffany blews"
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 4 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
"Coffee's for Closers" is really good (although I wish it were actually about Glengarry Glen Ross!). Is the whole album that good? I enjoyed From Under the Cork Tree but haven't kept up with anything since. "This Ain't a Scene..." kind of turned me off.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 07:41 (twelve years ago) link
"Headfirst Slide..." is my favourite but I love basically everything on this album.
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 February 2012 08:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, February 4, 2012 2:42 AM
^^
Have to rep for "West Coast Smoker"'s thwomping bassline, mix of choral flourishes, hardcore snarl, and Debbie Harry's rasp - "Oh hell yes / I'm a nervous wreck / The drugs just make me reset"; it's probably that or "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" for me. Love "I Don't Care"'s repurposing that line from Nirvana's "Drain You" into a T-Rex style glam stomp.
Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...? My editor & I repped really hard for this, but it seemed nobody heard it compared to Cork Tree/Infinity On High.
― etc, Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:07 (twelve years ago) link
lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz
i find them almost more affecting because they were written by freakin pete wentz? the dude's a part-time punchline and he has this finely finely honed ability to capture these moments of being trapped in the tangle of your emotions and your reason and your behaviour and your justifications, and the consciousness of absurdity saves it from being just self-pity.
Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...?
there is something dense and close about this album which makes it almost off-putting? 'cork tree' is so light and airy by comparison. but mostly i think it was moment-passing stuff: something else has taken that spot, of being popularly disrespected* and highly beloved.
* you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped, but there is a general alt-rock consensus that this stuff isn't worthy of respect, and that reputation has lasted while the massive crowd of kids who loved it despite have dwindled or moved on.
― marcus junius ubiquitus (c sharp major), Saturday, 4 February 2012 12:15 (twelve years ago) link
I get the feeling that e.g. the last MCR album did better than Folie? No evidence to back this up though. I'd just assumed the large generational cohort behind the popularity of their prior two albums would have seen them comfortably coast decent numbers for Folie (cf this Nitsuh column), but no dice.
(ps: DJP to thread! I remember you enjoying Patrick Stump's solo work - did you dip back into FoB?)
― etc, Saturday, 4 February 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago) link
Hm, I still think "Coffee's for Closers" is the best thing on here but there's some good stuff. Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.
Also, this doesn't seem to suggest that this was exactly a commercial failure, at least in the US, although it marked a drop from the sales of the previous albums: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_Deux_(album)#Weekly_charts
Cork Tree went 2x platinum, Infinity went 1x platinum, and this went gold.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
(Re drop in sales, I'm guessing other people agreed with me about this:
Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
it was a total failure commercially, yeah. if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.
but yes, amazing album, still listen to it all the time. will have to think about my vote.
― pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
btw this is bull, it's in the exact same style as the (also great) last song on Infinity, fuck PATD anyway
― pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
dude pretty. odd is awesome but okay
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
i mean yeah that last song on infinity had horns and shit, i just feel "20 dollar nose bleed" way more inhabits a beatles-esque pop thing, a mode that panic were also working in at the time
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
i just don't want to give PATD credit for anything, h8 them always
although maybe not as much lately as Gym Class Heroes and Cobra Starship. why is Stump like the only Decaydance alumnus that couldn't score a big pop hit last year?
― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
the cobra starship and gym class heroes records that were practically half-written by stump (viva la cobra and the quilt respectively) are both great, incidentally. and the other half of the quilt is written by terius.
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
ok we should stay on the topic of FOB, i like you and don't enjoy seeing you suffer the shame of outing yourself as a Travie McCoy stan
― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
dude as soon as both bands disentangled from patrick stump production they became irredeemably terrible
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
dom used to rep hard for this yeah? rip dom. anyway this (and the band) are prob one of my top 10 albums/acts of the 00s
― dayo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
dom started the 'infinity on high' thread IIRC
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
i'm begging you, stop before you say the first Tyga album was 'slept on' (xpost)
― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
j0rdan, if you still haven't gotten around to From Under the Cork Tree I will :/ at you.
I mean, Folie a Deux is great and so is Infinity On High (probably better than Cork Tree, esp. at the pop fusion stuff they do here), but it's a three-album-run of greatness. Not two.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
and this will be a tough call.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i realized yesterday that i still need to do that
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
:/
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
'the ribbon on my wrist says do not open before christmas'
'we only good 'cause you can have almost famous friends / besides, we've got such good fashion sense'
& other histrionic gems.
it's wentz before he toned it down.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
cork tree is cool but it's my least favorite of their albums
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
also it's totally a four album run
can't think of a pop punk album more tightly constructed than take this to your grave
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
I actually haven't heard take this to your grave
Feel free to :/
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
i still have this on my itunes :S
'what a catch' almost w/o hesitation but now im thinking mb i should relisten to it
― Lamp, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Is 'evening out with your girlfriend' worth a spin?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
it's a jam! that's my favorite song on the album
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 November 2014 03:46 (nine years ago) link
Wrong album, but since this is the top FOB thead at the moment - I just heard "Snitches and Talkers..." for he first time today. Good song - new fave, actually - but I was struck by the use of the phrase "why put a new address on the same old loneliness" - doesn't that come from a Songs: Ohia track? I thought at first there was some older common origin they both knicked it from, but some quick googling turned up a thread on a MEC forum where Molina had this to say. Made me a bit sad:
These lyrics were stolen from me. I heard it first on the stereo at the Brown Elephant Charity shop in Chicago. I almost dropped the Elton John records I was buying. It really has hurt my feelings that this band has stolen these lyrics. I am owed.
― Simon H., Saturday, 8 November 2014 06:08 (nine years ago) link
Err, wrong track, it's at the end of "Get Busy Living..."
― Simon H., Saturday, 8 November 2014 06:13 (nine years ago) link
pete also borrowed a bunch of lyrics from the cold cave dude on infinity on high
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 November 2014 06:21 (nine years ago) link
really tender detail about the elton john records there. dang
head like a steel trapwish i didn'ti didn'ti didn'ti didn'ti didn'ti didn'ti didn'ti don't
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 December 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
...just want to be a footNOTE in someone else's happinesssss
def the best FOB song
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Saturday, 12 December 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
the only thing suicidal here is the door
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
turns out this record is pretty great. think “headfirst slide” is my pick.
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 September 2018 04:40 (five years ago) link
Correct choice. I feel like that is perhaps the song on their discography that both captures everything that is archetypally good about this band while also capturing that one of those things is how they're always reaching towards some other archetype (I recognise this is a somewhat paradoxical statement).
― Tim F, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 04:50 (five years ago) link
the build up of "headfirst slide" is one of the best moments on the album
was listening to this again for a few days last week. would still vote "the (shipped) gold standard" & i still love "what a catch, donnie" ... i just really like the big broad sentimental lyrics on this album ("you can only blame your problems on the world for so long / before it all becomes the same old song" and "i've got troubled thoughts and a self-esteem to match"). also other emo vocalists singing back their hooks is oddly affecting to me now.
the one i was loving recently that i never considered a favorite was "she's my winona" ... "the only thing suicidal here is the door" is an all time great wentz lyric & the guitars are really cool throughout
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 September 2018 06:05 (five years ago) link
think mine is "winona" too... the band's annotation for the sharp line "we didn't come to compete / this is a demonstration":
"the idea that you are no longer competing. that you believe in yourself so much that its just a demonstration of your will. like a little zen michael jordan."
― lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link
have an esp soft spot for "america's suitehearts" for the way he says "why why why" like it's some sort of scat and elongates "cla-a-a-a-a-assic cars", and "27" the arc of the chorus
― lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link
("too" as in also recent appreciation)
― lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link
We def aren’t hurt about it and weren’t booed off stage ever for it- I wanna set that straight. I think there are ebbs and flows of every creative career... fad is one of my favorite albums of ours. I have the original painting of it I walk by every day ❤️— pw (@petewentz) November 17, 2018
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:49 (five years ago) link
“(coffee’s for closers)” and “disloyal order” are always the peaks for me but this is an album of peaks. “tiffany blews” is an incredible song for instance
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
aw
what is good FOB if you're one of the 10 people on earth who thinks 'young and menace' is p much the best thing he's heard from them
― imago, Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:52 (five years ago) link
i'm nota crybabyi'mTHEcrybaby
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:31 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
legendary
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:52 (five years ago) link
lj you may like this album? the instrumentation is very traditionally rock but the songs are all weird and extremely catchy
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
will listen tomorrow ty
― imago, Saturday, 24 November 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
it’s such a good album in the classic sense ie you can listen all the way through & the songs all flow together well etc
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 November 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
yeah i remember first time i heard it the level of compression made it hard to get into, but the flow p quickly justified that sound for me as an overarching humid atmosphere
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 24 November 2018 02:51 (five years ago) link
was listening to this recently... still really holds up
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 November 2018 04:58 (five years ago) link
still crazy to me "she's my winona" got 0 votes
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 November 2018 04:59 (five years ago) link
the high hopes song that is on the radio 24/7 now sounds like it could be on this album imo
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 24 November 2018 05:23 (five years ago) link
you could have knockedme outwith afeather
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 10:02 (four years ago) link
come togethercome apartonly get lonely when you read the charts
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 8:21 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
follow this disorganized religion of my headand we'll never get through customs, let's just take off again instead
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
hi y'all this is the best album ever made
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 4 May 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
AGREE
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 May 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
as soon as we hit the hospital i know we’re gonna leave this town (we’re never gonna leave this town)and get new passports and getgetgetget out, getgetgetget out nowwwwww
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 5 March 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
YES OTM
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 March 2021 00:52 (three years ago) link
damn gonna need to put this on soon
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 March 2021 01:24 (three years ago) link
weird coincidence, I put FOB on shuffle for the first time in many months at almost the exact time of this revive
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 March 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
but DON'T let the DOCtordon't let the DOCtor iiiiiin
― uberweiss, Sunday, 20 March 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
butterfly BANdage but don’t WORRRRYYYYY
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 March 2022 03:13 (two years ago) link
when he walks into the roomthe walls lean in to listen
surfedout brainwaves flick back and forthlike old headlightssniffing model glue again
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 March 2022 13:12 (two years ago) link
i'm a loose bolt (loose bolt)of a complete machiiiiiinewhat a match: i'm half-doomed and you're semi-swee-eee-eee-eeeeeeeeet
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 20 March 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link
DETOXJUST TO RETOX DETOXJUST TO RETOX
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 March 2022 22:00 (two years ago) link
say my name and his in the same breathi dare you to say they taste the samelet the leaves fall off in the summerand let december glow in flames
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:21 (one year ago) link
there should be way more songs in the world that sound like "headfirst slide"
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link
alas, only one
it’s still incredible every time i listen to it
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link
so boyyyyyycotttt loooooove
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link
if home is where the heart is then we’re all just fucked
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 January 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
soon as we hit the HOSpiTAL i know we’re gonna leave this town
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 January 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
Tell that boy I'll leave you alone, nowLike a stove I'll turn my love downSupra and the prophet are both in the business of souls^^love this part
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 January 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
YOUR PUPILS! (big)BIG! (roll)THEY'RE ROLLING LIKE DICE!
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 26 February 2023 23:16 (one year ago) link