Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

xxpostif you live in a solidly blue or red state i say go for it!

but if you're in anything approaching a swing state >:(

seriously considering voting for Roseanne

as many of us said on F'book when the NDAA was signed: fuck Obama. AND DON'T BACKPEDAL.

A more potent rallying cry if you had a better electoral system.

oh who cares - morbz lives in NY, he can vote for whoever he wants. surely tho there's another third party candidate who deserves your vote more than Roseanne???

have you seen the third party candidates recently

not since last election, but it's hard to imagine there's no one better.

you are welcome to write me in if you'd like

OK, I'm confused. Does NC or any other state assign their electoral votes for president based on who wins the most congressional districts?

maine, nebraska. I think nc dems almost got a system like this in 2007 but didn't. either way nc not gonna be a deciding state.

Roseanne has to get the Green Party nomination b4 any of you can actually vote for her.

my bad

wow, heretofore I have actually underestimated what a fraud the presidential election is.

it's not a fraud if you live in like four states, you actually get to decide the fate of the free world

I might! p sure Minnesota won't be plumping for Romney

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^^^dude, this is how we elected Ventura

ha I was just about to post "TS: President Barr vs Governor Ventura" but I got distracted by an M.I.A video

I actually like RB. I liked her show and it got better when she gained more controll. I don't care about her politics or her nut farm and I think the fact that she might be on a ballot is almost as shameful as the Republican primaries.

Do you think Roseanne wd pick Ginsburg or Sotomayor to swear her in?

If the goal of the candidacy and the vote is to send a message on behalf of the 99%, it's hard to think of a more appropriate ("better") candidate than Roseanne, who is perhaps their biggest voice in US culture in the last 30 years.

I think Obama being renominated uncontested is shameful.

what year is this? 1995?

Yeah, I am with you on RB and her voice. But voice /= competent governing. lol at voting to "send a message". Have you ever seen how people parse those "messages" from the voter? And what message does voting for a third party send anyway? Was it the same message with Perot as it was with Nader?

Morbz loves the shame

I think Obama being renominated uncontested is shameful.

otm.

perot and nader were also arguably washed-up from their professions when they ran, too. and roseanne isn't that much worse than either reagan or schwarzeneggar when those clods began their political careers.

i'll at least listen to what roseanne has to say.

I have to go soon, but I'm def in the 'morbz otm' camp

voice /= competent governing.

oh, spare me from the competence we've had the last 30+ years.

also, she's not going to win.

even if you want obama flanked from the left, there's no widely-agreed-upon figure that could do that job atm.

was gonna say (pace frank zappa in 1988 or so), even if roseanne doesn't know shit from shinola how could she do much worse -- what's she gonna do, crash the world economy or start a pointless war or use the Constitution for toilet paper or something like that?!?

are we seriously talking about how roseanne would run things if she became president

no, we are talking about how Nixon through Obama have run things since they've been President.

anyway, like morbz said she isn't going to be President anyway ... she might not even get nominated.

she needs a super pac

All that happens to make things run (all the people that are doing the right things that we agree with and don't pay attention to) comes from soldiers slogging through the tedium. wrt some celebrity giving voice to the 99% and effecting change, how many bumper stickers u got on your car demonstrating your unconventional life choices and serious thinking?

She won't win anyway.

Yeah this is probably a dumb argument and I'll stop agitating from my side. I just don't think Obama/Rosanne is a for real dichotomy.
I'll just leave off with I like Rosanne and stick to other subjects.

i know it is possible to go too far the other way & get all C'MON IT'S EASY TO BE PRESIDENT but i don't think it's totally w/o merit to be into the idea of like a non-politician president; I remember in the is barack obama a sociopath thread the conclusion being, probably no, but most agreeing that to want to be president you are probably gonna be kinda weird, kinda unbalanced, already. i don't know that someone - like idk anything about roseanne - less demographically inclined/entitled towards politics would be so awful, provided that their approach to governing was to like hire people who knew shit, defer to experts, stay true to their goals in a kind of 'don't be evil' sense, &c. i'm sure there are people here who know a lot more about it than i do, & i'm sorta uncomfortable at implying that with the gender switch there was too much of a change otherwise, but afaik rwandan governance has really benefited from the kind of previously untried, largely female (emphasising this bc it's true of rwanda, not bc it's true of roseanne), seemingly collaborative rule it has inherited & tried over the past decade, for a variety of reasons.

there's no such thing as 'experts'

'experts' in economic, foreign policy, domestic policy etc. are all on some level ideological. there's no way to avoid making political decisions when you are in politics just cause you're going w/ 'experts'.

Herman Cain disagrees

'sending a message' is well nigh useless in politics and roseanne is not going to be a good carrier of one either.

that said i look forward to her being interviewed by megyn kelly or whoever

i don't think roseanne barr will be able to successfully challenge obama from the left, and i don't think she'll have any impact whatsoever on his campaign platform. i also think that on balance, she would damage the viability of the Green Party because so many people are going to think this is hilarious, if they hear of it at all.

the real question is will she fart and grab her crotch at the swearing in ceremony

will she swear?

xpost i say that not as a green party-basher but as someone who wishes the Green Party could field a candidate that successfully shifted Obama to the left on pretty much anything, but particularly environmental issues.

I dig the Green Party and was registered with them for awhile but they just are not a national force. shit, they're barely even a local force (although Matt Gonzales came close)

the problem I have with challenges Obama from the left is the last big visible person to do it, Ralph Nader, couldn't actually get too far into it without making odious racial comments and then hooking up with notorious self-aggrandizing starfucker Cornell West, who apparently has more teeth than he has self-respect

if I thought someone would actually put forward a platform that could get attention that wasn't predicated upon "he's not a good black person", I would be more interested, but since this is America that's exactly what is going to happen and watching a bunch of white dudes pine for that bullshit here is actually a good reminder for me about what you guys find important vs what I find important

if I thought someone would actually put forward a platform that could get attention that wasn't predicated upon "he's not a good black person"

you think this is where Morbz is coming from...?

ows has prob done more to successfully challenge the democrats from the left than any 3rd party ever has or will (outside of like, sf)

but people are really obsessed w/ 'parties' in a country where they p much don't matter

parties don't matter?

watching a bunch of white dudes pine for that bullshit here is actually a good reminder for me about what you guys find important vs what I find important

did someone upthread actually suggest that they'd prefer a candidate that ran a campaign based upon "he's not a good black person"?

but people are really obsessed w/ 'parties' in a country where they p much don't matter

lol waht

Dan, what's important about reelecting Obama in a sentence, seriously? I could buy the "less short-term pain" argument if I didn't believe both parties are leading us to precisely the same destination.

Changing the president is not the major order of business from any angle (on the left-of-Dem-mainstream position, I mean).

the real political games are played outside of the party system, parties are essentially a way to deal the fact that first-past-the-post voting makes elections w/ more than 2 people chaotic. anyone can call themselves a republican or democrat w/ whatever the fuck views they have. nobody claims kucinich isn't a democrat or ron paul isn't a republican.

the prob for libertarians or the hard left is that there aren't very many places that will elect ron paul or kucinich, not the 'party system'