xp to Jordan a lot of classic BM is minimal though- e.g. Darkthrone. It's been a strand for a long time.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
or what n/a said
Those Animal Collective-style segues, the Hella-style rhythm patterns, the whole Liars-ness of it.
lol this says like 100 x more about your sphere of reference than it does Liturgy's
― bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
I bought the manifesto for $4 btw. I haven't read it, I just wanted it as a curio really. If people are still talking about it in a decade or so I can say 'oh i have that'. I probably still wont read it though.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
I know it's a completely different thing but listening to Liturgy just made me want to listen to Naked City instead
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
i think Liturgy do a very good job of marketing themselves to specific listeners (i.e. me). i mean, the first record I bought from them was the Immortal Life 12" based solely on the huge TRANSCENDENTAL BLACK METAL printed on the back of the sleeve. coming from noise and drone, i definitely saw the transcendental potential of extreme music like black metal, but I never really saw anyone embracing it as openly
― ≧^◡^≦ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
also i love the manifesto: more bands should do faux-spiritual self-mythologizing
― ≧^◡^≦ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
oh no no no no no NO
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
and that is coming from someone who spent five years listening to Insane Clown Posse
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
Also, lets not forget this album was released on Thrill Jockey and not Candlelight or Peaceville. That automatically shifts the target audience in a not insignificant way.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
The manifesto just seems like an underestimation of the listener/super condescending drivel, and I would no sooner like to read his manifesto than read a pamphlet written by a painter that explains his/her painting to me. I can see having it as a curio though. It's definitely a ridiculous gesture on their part. I can ignore it, or at least try to forget that it exists.
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
i recommend this interview with the dude from liturgy, he doesn't sound like a dick and plays some good tunes: http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/39826
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
to me, the manifesto is just play: they're having fun with symbols and mythology. i don't understand the condescending reading of it that most people seem to have
― ≧^◡^≦ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
btw n/a, i like vorvolakas like 500x more than (what i remember about) liturgy, no exaggeration
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
pamphlet written by a painter that explains his/her painting to me.
you mean like an "artist statement"?
(i hate these btw, although they're usually better than the art that requires a statement. i don't think liturgy's music requires an explanation at all, although it certainly got them a lot of attention.)
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
Those Animal Collective-style segues, the Hella-style rhythm patterns, the whole Liars-ness of it.lol this says like 100 x more about your sphere of reference than it does Liturgy's― bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:44 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:44 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Mmm... Considering who they are and where they're from and who they hang out with, I don't think that's true at all. Again, I don't have a problem with people appropriating metal; but I'm less up for these guys since they make themselves out to be more than a post-rock band with screaming. Calling themselves a metal band is misleading - this is no more metal to my ears than JJ or Dirty Projectors are R'n'B, and it's disappointing to think that people might check out Liturgy and just stop there thinking that that is what BM is all about.
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
xp - yeah i guess soi have no interest in reading those things
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
I wish I'd have heard vorvolakas in time for my singles ballot.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
who they hang out with
that's a pretty big assumption though? judging from that interview i posted, their influences are basically black metal, old chant/church music, and meshuggah.
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
also if they are engaging in play with the manifesto, that's disrespectful of the violent power of nature, which requires no explanation and speaks for itself all the time. they cannot win with the manifesto!
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
i find it kinda funny that on a site that's pretty open minded when it comes to music criticism wouldn't enjoy an artist thinking critically about his art
― ≧^◡^≦ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think this site is open-minded about music criticism at all!
It is relatively open-minded about music, though.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
who they hang out withthat's a pretty big assumption though? judging from that interview i posted, their influences are basically black metal, old chant/church music, and meshuggah.― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:56 (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:56 (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
by this, I mean they share a lot of musicians with the rest of the Williamsburg scene - e.g. the drummer plays in Dan Deacon's band AFAIK
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
jordan needs to start posting new results so we can stop talking about this
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
so where can i go from liturgy, and wittr into trv kvlt black metal? i like blast beats, atmospherics, and white noise sonic assaults
― ≧^◡^≦ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
isn't Dan Deacon from Baltimore?
― bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
xp Darkthrone are a good bet. Best drummer in the business IMO.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
dd is from baltimore
― nathey, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
60. Lana Del Rey ft. Tyler the Creator – Plays Burzum (293 points, 10 votes)
P4K: DNPP&J: 1
Spotify
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
it's disappointing to think that people might check out Liturgy and just stop there thinking that that is what BM is all about.
that would be disappointing if it was happening to any meaningful extent yes
― bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
Save us J0rdan Fever!
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
xp The Benoit & Sergio remix was robbed.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
lol n/a that would shut down ILM
― pandemic, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
yes, please let's post some new albums. i think i'm starting to protract my argument far beyond where it was meant to go. Liturgy are okay really, just not what I'm looking for.
DD85 - I can only advise on older BM up to about 2004, after that I stopped being so current with it. There are some great rolling threads on ILX and/or the poll which ASR conducted (been dipping in and out of this uncovering a wealth of interesting things). For full on BM blast, you can't go two wrong with Ulver's third album "Nattens Madrigal". I'm a huge Emperor fan, and would recommend their "Best Of" which is called Scattered Ashes. For more experimental stuff, later Ulver albums like the Blood Inside are pretty prog-tastic, as is Arcturus's Sham Mirrors (a personal fave). I have a soft-spot for the Japanese Black/Thrash band Sigh, who are kind of hilarious and terrifying at the same time.
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
oh xposts.
the drummer left Liturgy btw
i know. :(
do they have a new drummer?
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:29 AM (28 minutes ago)
they're touring in feb (w/ sleigh bells and diplo lol), curious to see if they'll go back to using a drum machine. I feel for those guys, greg fox is not easily replaced.
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
Not sure which will be harder to overcome tbh, losing Greg Fox or touring with Sleigh Bells and Diplo.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
diplo on the drum machine as liturgy's drummer
― ≧^◡^≦ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for the recs! xp neil s, dog latin
I can't wait for Liturgy to cut an album w the Weeknd!
― Drugs A. Money, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
Sleigh Bells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^infinity Liturgy
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
"(Bloodied) Crown on the (Darkened) Ground"
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
DJP offtm.
At this point, fuck everyone who voted for that Liturgy album.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
for the vast majority of popular sphere musicians out there (and I include metal in the "popular sphere"), 2 minute songs > 9 minute songs
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
get me out of this popular sphere
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
Man I was all sorts of mentally otming DJP yesterday, today its like I can't offtm him fast enough. Also, Matt DC needs coffee or something.
― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
i liked it when the argument was between friday and nyan cat
― nathey, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
ah for the halcyon days of nyan cat's silky rhetoric
― two lights crew (seandalai), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
10 minute long dance instrumentals win over either, though
http://youtu.be/O3tiOuKez4Q
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link