ILM's Top 77 ALBUMS of 2011

n/a is OTM, which is why I don't have a problem with a black metal band in hipster clothes, but the music also SCREAMS Williamsburg-scene rock. Those Animal Collective-style segues, the Hella-style rhythm patterns, the whole Liars-ness of it. Also think the singing is pointless, almost pisstakey in it's delivery.

I prefer Krallice to Liturgy too, but I do really like Liturgy (i obv voted for it)

you don't have to read it?

xp

i know, but i guess i think it's obnoxious that they felt compelled to write it and tell people what their music is "about." can't we figure it out on our own? i think we can.

Oh yeah, I want to make clear that I'm not fully standing behind the manifesto or the whole "positive" vs "negative" approach, just mentioning other ways that people might be able to make an entrance to the music. Basically, I dig what they are doing, manifesto or no, but like ASR, I prefer Krallice.

i think maybe you guys are underestimating how many modern metal bands dabble in minimalism and other forms of experimentation

xp to Jordan a lot of classic BM is minimal though- e.g. Darkthrone. It's been a strand for a long time.

or what n/a said

Those Animal Collective-style segues, the Hella-style rhythm patterns, the whole Liars-ness of it.

lol this says like 100 x more about your sphere of reference than it does Liturgy's

I bought the manifesto for $4 btw. I haven't read it, I just wanted it as a curio really. If people are still talking about it in a decade or so I can say 'oh i have that'. I probably still wont read it though.

I know it's a completely different thing but listening to Liturgy just made me want to listen to Naked City instead

i think Liturgy do a very good job of marketing themselves to specific listeners (i.e. me). i mean, the first record I bought from them was the Immortal Life 12" based solely on the huge TRANSCENDENTAL BLACK METAL printed on the back of the sleeve. coming from noise and drone, i definitely saw the transcendental potential of extreme music like black metal, but I never really saw anyone embracing it as openly

also i love the manifesto: more bands should do faux-spiritual self-mythologizing

oh no no no no no NO

and that is coming from someone who spent five years listening to Insane Clown Posse

Also, lets not forget this album was released on Thrill Jockey and not Candlelight or Peaceville. That automatically shifts the target audience in a not insignificant way.

The manifesto just seems like an underestimation of the listener/super condescending drivel, and I would no sooner like to read his manifesto than read a pamphlet written by a painter that explains his/her painting to me. I can see having it as a curio though. It's definitely a ridiculous gesture on their part. I can ignore it, or at least try to forget that it exists.

i recommend this interview with the dude from liturgy, he doesn't sound like a dick and plays some good tunes: http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/39826

to me, the manifesto is just play: they're having fun with symbols and mythology. i don't understand the condescending reading of it that most people seem to have

btw n/a, i like vorvolakas like 500x more than (what i remember about) liturgy, no exaggeration

pamphlet written by a painter that explains his/her painting to me.

you mean like an "artist statement"?

(i hate these btw, although they're usually better than the art that requires a statement. i don't think liturgy's music requires an explanation at all, although it certainly got them a lot of attention.)

Those Animal Collective-style segues, the Hella-style rhythm patterns, the whole Liars-ness of it.

lol this says like 100 x more about your sphere of reference than it does Liturgy's

― bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:44 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Mmm... Considering who they are and where they're from and who they hang out with, I don't think that's true at all. Again, I don't have a problem with people appropriating metal; but I'm less up for these guys since they make themselves out to be more than a post-rock band with screaming. Calling themselves a metal band is misleading - this is no more metal to my ears than JJ or Dirty Projectors are R'n'B, and it's disappointing to think that people might check out Liturgy and just stop there thinking that that is what BM is all about.

xp - yeah i guess so
i have no interest in reading those things

I wish I'd have heard vorvolakas in time for my singles ballot.

who they hang out with

that's a pretty big assumption though? judging from that interview i posted, their influences are basically black metal, old chant/church music, and meshuggah.

also if they are engaging in play with the manifesto, that's disrespectful of the violent power of nature, which requires no explanation and speaks for itself all the time. they cannot win with the manifesto!

i find it kinda funny that on a site that's pretty open minded when it comes to music criticism wouldn't enjoy an artist thinking critically about his art

I don't think this site is open-minded about music criticism at all!

It is relatively open-minded about music, though.

who they hang out with

that's a pretty big assumption though? judging from that interview i posted, their influences are basically black metal, old chant/church music, and meshuggah.

― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:56 (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

by this, I mean they share a lot of musicians with the rest of the Williamsburg scene - e.g. the drummer plays in Dan Deacon's band AFAIK

jordan needs to start posting new results so we can stop talking about this

so where can i go from liturgy, and wittr into trv kvlt black metal? i like blast beats, atmospherics, and white noise sonic assaults

isn't Dan Deacon from Baltimore?

xp Darkthrone are a good bet. Best drummer in the business IMO.

dd is from baltimore

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it's disappointing to think that people might check out Liturgy and just stop there thinking that that is what BM is all about.

that would be disappointing if it was happening to any meaningful extent yes

Save us J0rdan Fever!

xp
The Benoit & Sergio remix was robbed.

lol n/a that would shut down ILM

yes, please let's post some new albums. i think i'm starting to protract my argument far beyond where it was meant to go. Liturgy are okay really, just not what I'm looking for.

DD85 - I can only advise on older BM up to about 2004, after that I stopped being so current with it. There are some great rolling threads on ILX and/or the poll which ASR conducted (been dipping in and out of this uncovering a wealth of interesting things). For full on BM blast, you can't go two wrong with Ulver's third album "Nattens Madrigal". I'm a huge Emperor fan, and would recommend their "Best Of" which is called Scattered Ashes. For more experimental stuff, later Ulver albums like the Blood Inside are pretty prog-tastic, as is Arcturus's Sham Mirrors (a personal fave). I have a soft-spot for the Japanese Black/Thrash band Sigh, who are kind of hilarious and terrifying at the same time.

oh xposts.

the drummer left Liturgy btw

i know. :(

do they have a new drummer?

― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:29 AM (28 minutes ago)

they're touring in feb (w/ sleigh bells and diplo lol), curious to see if they'll go back to using a drum machine. I feel for those guys, greg fox is not easily replaced.

Not sure which will be harder to overcome tbh, losing Greg Fox or touring with Sleigh Bells and Diplo.

diplo on the drum machine as liturgy's drummer

thanks for the recs! xp neil s, dog latin

I can't wait for Liturgy to cut an album w the Weeknd!

Sleigh Bells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^infinity Liturgy

"(Bloodied) Crown on the (Darkened) Ground"

DJP offtm.

At this point, fuck everyone who voted for that Liturgy album.