Brian Wilson - SMiLE

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dat vind ik dan nog wel een aardig rockertje

Tis ook meer de opportunistische tekst. Op de 60s protestbandwagon, maar dan een jaar of drie te laat.

Bram, Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Zeg heeft er iemand hier Soulseek en een Smile 1967, de chaos die ik altijd tegenkom als ik daarnaar zoek.. Alleen daarom zouden ze die sessies eens uit moeten brengen.

Ludo (Ludo), Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Adam Green heeft een meesterlijke versie van Kokomo opgenomen. Een bonustrack op de single van 'Jessica'.

koen*, Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

in de meeste platenwinkels ligt ook smiley/ wild honey dat als basismateriaal voor brian wilson presents... diende.
smiley... is stukken beter, wat mij betreft. slechtere opnames, maar originelere geluiden.

joost heijthuijsen, Thursday, 14 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Ik ben niet zo'n enorme expert, maar hoe komt het toch dat er zoveel mensen zijn die denken beter te weten hoe SMiLE heeft geklonken (of bedoeld was) dan Brian Wilson zelf? Bij mijn weten zijn de originele master tapes al non-existent sinds het begin en zijn alle versies op het web en in traderskringen reconstructies van fans die zich baserren op demo's en overlevering.

Martijn Busink, Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

in de meeste platenwinkels ligt ook smiley/ wild honey dat als basismateriaal voor brian wilson presents... diende.

Dat ligt toch net even iets anders. Er zijn een paar stukken van het oorspronkelijke Smile op Smiley, Wild Honey en Surf's Up terechtgekomen. Maar dat was meer omdat de heren geen beter materiaal voorhanden hadden (Brian lag al in bed). Het enige basismateriaal (je houdt toch die Kreatief-met-kurkassociatie) van Brian Wilson Presents... zijn de nummers die Brian en Van in 1967 schreven.

Smile 1967, dat redelijk gemakkelijk te vinden is op SLSK, is een reconstructie op basis van niet verloren gegaan sessiemateriaal uit 1967, samengesteld door fanatieke Smile-ologen.

Bram, Friday, 15 October 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Dat ligt toch net even iets anders. Er zijn een paar stukken van het oorspronkelijke Smile op Smiley, Wild Honey en Surf's Up terechtgekomen. Maar dat was meer omdat de heren geen beter materiaal voorhanden hadden (Brian lag al in bed). Het enige basismateriaal (je houdt toch die Kreatief-met-kurkassociatie) van Brian Wilson Presents... zijn de nummers die Brian en Van in 1967 schreven.

Om even te mierenneuken: ook dit ligt weer iets anders. Smiley Smile bevat voor een deel nummers die al geschreven waren voor Smile, maar opnieuw en compleet anders uitgevoerd. Wat mij betreft is dit ook nog een leuke plaat, maar niks vergeleken bij Smile. Na die plaat zijn er ook nog een aantal dingen op verschillende beach boys lp's terecht gekomen: de afsluiter van Wild Honey is een stukje uit Vegetables, 'Cool Cool Water' van Sunflower is een soort aangepaste In Blue Hawaii (of I Love To Say Da Da) en Surf's Up van de gelijknamige LP is opnieuw uitgevoerd voor die plaat. En dan zijn we er geloof ik nóg niet, er zijn nog wat stukjes uit latere nummers op Smile stukken gebaseerd.

In mijn mening is het na SMiLE enorm bergaf gegaan met de kwaliteit van de Beach Boys LP's en het is tekenend dat ze steeds SMiLE materiaal moesten gebruiken om latere albums aan te vullen. Niet dat die latere albums nu zo slecht waren, maar de geniale composities die Brian Wilson aan het einde van zijn 'stijgende lijn' in componeren had, (Summer Days < Pet Sounds < SMiLE) zijn nooit meer geevenaard.

smashingjj, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

six years pass...

happy birthday!

Dominique, Monday, 20 June 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

lol

Bruce Johnston contacted Jeremy Pierce (head of V2) after Bruce heard Hawaii, O’Hagan recalls. "Then he got it to Brian and the other Boys. Apparently, Brian was really impressed. He understood what I was doing. It all seemed fairly genuine, and a meeting was fixed up with Brian and Melinda. So we went to Brian's house, a huge kind of Spanish-type ranchero with big open-plan spaces, like a giant Barrett home. Anyway, we walked in, and Brian was standing there, holding a blanket for some reason. He looked fine - I never liked the Landy-thin Brian. The guy's 55, he's a big bloke, he ought to be fat. Fat Brian suits me."

"His face contorted, he looked confused. Plus, because he's deaf in one ear, he speaks out of the corner of his mouth. Trouble was, he couldn't work out how come we'd come all the way from Britain. Or how the last 30 years happened. But the interesting thing about the Pet Sounds box set (the inter-song dialogue) was just how in control Brian can be in the studio, how confident he is within those parameters. But you can tell that was also the start of the absurdity and the nervous laughter. And the drugs..."

"Melinda managed to conduct affairs fairly well and the idea of the record was tabled. And Brian's like 'Wow! A record? You want me to make a record? Whoa!' We said, 'We want you to make a Beach Boys record.' And he's, like, 'Whoa! A Beach Boys record? Will they let me?' It was as though the possibility of making a Beach Boys record hadn't occurred to him until we mentioned it."

"Brian goes, 'Can I have Hal and Carol on the record?' And then he went, 'Whoa! I'll give you a Number One.' And I said, 'You don't have to make a Number One record - just make a record you really want to make.' Brian looked confused by this. 'You don't want a Number One?'"

Melinda said, 'Brian, we want you to make a record, and Sean will oversee it.' And Brian says, "who's Sean?' Melinda said, 'He's the guy who made that record you like, Hawaii.' And he says, 'The Hawaii guy? Are you the Hawaii guy? You made that record? Too much! Far out! Music, man. So much music!"

O'Hagan's next meeting with Wilson was at a dinner in Chicago, where Brian recently built a second home - and a studio - next door to Joe Thomas, the producer of Imagination, the record that will achieve what Sweet Insanity and the Paley-Wilson sessions failed to do - get in the shops.

It was during this period that Brian was being coerced away from Andy Paley (by wife Melinda, according to observers), toward Joe Thomas, a former WBA wrestler, co-founder of the Adult Contemporary stronghold, River North Records, and producer of, as O'Hagan puts it, "real right-wing country artists." Wilson's lack of interest in the O'Hagan project manifested itself at dinner that night.

"I could already tell it was never going to happen," says O'Hagan. "The whole thing was absurd. As far as I can see, Joe Thomas hasn't got a clue about Brian Wilson or his legacy. It's all just 'Little Deuce Coupe' to him. He wanted Brian to make a big Eighties ballad record, all cavernous snares. He kept referring to Brian's potential as an Adult Contemporary crossover artist. I sad, 'Don't you realize Brian Wilson is essentially a 20th-century avant-garde pop genius?' And he went, 'Avant-garde? Not the Brian Wilson I know'

"I don't think Brian really wanted to work with him - but he had no choice, he was being pulled in that direction. He just wants to feel safe and comfortable, and Joe Thomas is a father figure. Plus, Melinda likes him, and he's dependent on Melinda.

"The album with me wasn't particularly high on Brian's agenda that night - ice-cream was. All he wanted to do was eat ice cream. He was just sitting there in his baseball cap while all these discussions were going on, going, 'Munch, munch, munch.' He loves eating. He'd agree to anything as long as he can eat. Someone would ask him, 'Would you agree to Sean overseeing the record?' And he'd go, 'Sure, sure!' The Melinda would say, 'No, no.' And he'd say, 'No, no.'"

afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 22 September 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

What did you make of punk rock?

I don’t know what that is. Punk rock? Punk? What is that?

It was a loud, aggressive musical movement that happened around 1976.

Oh yeah. I never went for that. I never went for the fast kind of music. I go for the more medium tempo. Spencer Davis, I liked that.

???? Nobody has ever played Brian Wilson "Rock N Roll High School"?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 April 2015 04:38 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

preview of the upcoming memoir: https://books.google.com/books?id=9CmiBQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Dominique, Friday, 7 October 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

Vol met echte, originele herinneringen?

clismo, Saturday, 8 October 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link

of ook door de begeleidingsband ingespeeld?

deze man is zelf zo'n ghost na al die drugs en fake therapy, don't need a ghost writer.

Ludo, Saturday, 8 October 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link

aww de stoel :-)

dit is ook een interessante:
Wilson is a man who has struggled with having fans for 50 years, yet is surrounded by them: his band are fans; his road assistant’s a fan; I’m a fan. Later that night I sit among the capacity crowd at the Palladium, where strangers on either side of me – a middle-aged man and a woman – are so moved by Wilson’s music that they quietly cry.

Ludo, Sunday, 9 October 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

https://i.imgur.com/pt2u7h9.jpg

Found this in one of the books at a friend of a friends house

calstars, Saturday, 8 July 2023 22:59 (nine months ago) link

Wow

The Lunatics (Have Taken Over the Elektra) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 July 2023 23:09 (nine months ago) link

verbazingwekkend!

ongeregistreerd (unregistered), Sunday, 9 July 2023 00:00 (nine months ago) link


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