Bob Dylan borrowing more phrases--this time from Civil War era poet

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Was this article inspired by every other article about dylan taking from others or is it a poetic allusion to those articles? I don't see citations! This guy is a phoney baloney!

Period period period (Period period period), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

neither here nor there, but motoko rich =/= "guy".

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

That tune Dylan is singing in the I-tunes commercials sounds a whole lot like Muddy Waters "Trouble No More". It took a couple of times seeing the commercial to realize that it was an original with a similar tag line.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's the previous thread discussing Dylan's musical borrowings. This was before the Timrod stuff (Which NPR discussed as well)

Bob Dylan: Borrower or thief?

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 15 September 2006 03:11 (seventeen years ago) link

at least we know he casts a wide net when it comes to reading material

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 15 September 2006 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"under a spreading chestnut tree
miss alicia keys she stands
miss keys a mighty woman is she
with small and sinewy hands"


that's my favorite part of the album.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 15 September 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i prefer

Relationships of ownership
They whisper in the wings
To those condemned by Alicia Keys
And wait for succeeding kings
And I try to harmonize with songs
The lonesome sparrow sings
There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 15 September 2006 04:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was listening to "Highway 61 Revisted" the other day and that whole "God said to Abe, God told Isaac...etc" that whole story is straight out of the Bible. He adds, like, nothing to it of his own. Some people!

Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

>That’s exactly what bothers Chris Dineen, a middle school Spanish
>teacher

Well, bollocks, if he can't please this guy than nothing's sacred.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course, if Bobby's shagging Keys now, I guess that's a given.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Chris Dineen, a middle school Spanish teacher and casual fan of Mr. Dylan's in Albuquerque

I've always wondered how journalists find random people like this to interview for articles like this one. Friends of friends? Cold calling?

Excuse me while I fold my pants... (samjeff), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

myspace

p@reene (Pareene), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

That tune Dylan is singing in the I-tunes commercials sounds a whole lot like Muddy Waters "Trouble No More". It took a couple of times seeing the commercial to realize that it was an original with a similar tag line

He says "worry" instead of "trouble" but otherwise it's pretty much the same song with new verses, no?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Muddy Waters didn't exactly invent "Trouble No More" out of whole cloth.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

No one's saying he did, though his is probably the most imitated version.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I could be wrong, but I believe Muddy is listed as the composer on his original 1956 hit recording. But I don't know if it was based on an older blues song or not.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course Muddy also took writing credit for "Rollin and Tumblin" which was based on an earlier song by Hambone Willie Newbern, so who knows.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

The point is that in blues the line between composition and performance was very fuzzy indeed. They weren't handprinting immaculate scores and signing them flairfully.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

sleep is a temporary death for religous folx, esp xians

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 16 September 2006 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i was hoping he stole the line from Nas instead. : (

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 16 September 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The point is that in blues the line between composition and performance was very fuzzy indeed. They weren't handprinting immaculate scores and signing them flairfully.

I agree. Which is why I think it's acceptable if Dylan wants to give himself a solo writing credit for "Rollin and Tumblin" and "Someday Baby" - even though both are pretty much standards in the blues repertoire, his new verses and other modifications are enough to qualify them as "new" songs within the standards of the genre. On the other hand, you have the Rolling Stones suing the Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" off the face of the earth because of the relatively tiny amount of copyright infringement in that song, so who knows where the line is drawn these days. All I'm saying is that without Muddy Waters I doubt anyone would be recording versions of those songs today, especially not versions that sound like that.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

My dad referenced the Alicia Keys lyric in an iMessage chat today; I had totally forgotten about it.

(this was the only thread I could find on Modern Times)

#YABASIC (morrisp), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:36 (four years ago) link


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