Arthur Baker vs Rick Rubin

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good shit on that arthur baker list:

new order (obviously)
freez (gotta admit this one)
loleatta "crash goes love" (dissing sylvester??)
new grandmaster flash lp (on ninja tune??? good for a laugh, actually...)
hall & oates
mastering on "low rider" by war
remastering bowie's "fame", nkotb "hang tough", neneh cherry "buffalo stance"

okay and yeah there's all that "walking on sunshine" / "planet patrol" / "play at your own risk" and so on but like other people noted:

1) john robie
2) aldo marin
3) jonzun crew
4) newcleus
5) kraftwerk
6) latin rascals

and so on and so forth

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

let's also not forget man parrish + COD

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Certainly can't vouch for how "hands on" Rubin is / was.

Jazzy Jay interview:

http://www.jayquan.com/jazzy.htm

C: What was your creative input on “Planet Rock”?

“Planet Rock” was actually a routine we used to do with “Super Sperm,” “Trans-Europe express” by Kraftwerk and “Numbers” by Kraftwerk. We put the routine together and gave it to John Robie who did most of the programming and that later became “Planet Rock.”

J: What was Arthur Baker’s input?

Arthur Baker was like the conductor. He had less to do with our stuff than anybody but he took more of the credit and money. When you got a bunch of guys that’s not really involved with this business and you put them in a situation where they’re exposed to money, you think getting four thousand dollar checks is big money but you don’t realize he’s getting fifty, sixty, seventy thousand dollars

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

every good run-dmc track

And considering the 1st two Run DMC albums were produced by larry larr, and only one Run DMC album was Rick Rubin (you can't front on Tougher than Leather, even if it's not a perfect album), Rubin can't be credited with Run's career totally.

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"it's tricky" / "walk this way" / "my adidas" / "you be illin" / "peter piper" / "christmas in hollis" / "mary mary"

that's pretty much the desert island disc, except it's missing "it's like that" and "down with the king".

also rick rubin produced BABY GOT BACK you fools!!!

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"BABY GOT BACK"

CASE CLOSED, MOTHERFUCKERS

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd bet $5.75 that Rick Rubin is only credited with producing Baby Got Back. Mix has been producing himself since 1985, and this track sounds waaaay to close in technic to Mix's 1988 track Rippin' (as well as Kid Sensation and Tony Lorenzo tracks). There's a chance I could be wrong, but in the Red Bull Academy interview, Mix talks in depth about how he came up with certain aspects of the production on that song. Then again, he denies sampling Technocolor, which its 100% fucking clear that it was sampled. The snare during the loop (and lack of when the loop is absent is a dead give away).

Rubin has never made any Miami Bass songs - only proto-bass ala Rock the Bells. Being the 1st release of Mix's on (Def) American, the story tells itself. Another label owner crediting himself to secure extra publishing.

Best Run DMC is easily the debut album. Shit not only changed my life, but, uh, all Hip-Hop. The non-Disco/non-Electro Hip-Hop sound begins with the Sucker MC's/It's Like That single.

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

tie, but i think there is more stuff in baker's catalog that i'm curious about. problem is that when i find it, i'm usually not so thrilled. "i.o.u." and "confusion" are massively classic though. in the other corner, run-dmc left an indelible impression on me and then there's reign in blood and "99 problems" (oh that video). so, etc etc what vahid said although it seems like baker has less forced street cred.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Thursday, 15 June 2006 05:00 (seventeen years ago) link

re sir mix-a-lot: fair enough.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 15 June 2006 05:10 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Tuomas otm

badg, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:28 (six years ago) link

Agreed except for the Deloused In The Comatorium diss. Although as much as I like that record it's hardly a make-or-break credential for either side to have.
Vahid certainly wins points for style though.

You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Saturday, 9 September 2017 01:20 (six years ago) link


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