platinum pied pipers/sa-ra/the new downbeat-rnb thing: why don't i like this stuff more?

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i haven't heard that album yet, so don't blame me if you hate it.

definitely download the Sa Ra stuff, you'll be blown away (hopefully)

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

is the ppp album actually out? i only have a download.

i think i might be an rnb-ist! actually, i think i just might be thinking about this stuff in the wrong mindset. (i.e. singles instead of albums or mixes.) (or maybe i just don't smoke enough weed anymore.)

i love jay dee, which is why i keep giving this stuff a second chance.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apparently it came out yesterday, good timing.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i don't smoke that much weed anymore either, but i think it's pretty obvious that the majority of the music i listen to is definitely weed music. trippy, mellow, dark, sort of avant, lots of effects, repetitive.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This is like a whole album of "Devil's Pie".

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's also really fucking good.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah i need to give this another spin tonight.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They're all about that one beat where the hi-hats are shuffling triplets but the kick and snare are syncopated to this tight, straight 16th note feel, shit's crazy.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i like some of the sa-ra stuff (esp "glorious" and "hollywood" i think?) but my prob with it starts when it gets too CLOSE to d'angelo etc. - maybe a matter of falling obviously short when the objective seems more identifiable? but yeah working with teedra moses or somebody could be great. haven't heard the ppp stuff yet.

jones (actual), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i am listening to that dj rels record from last year on stone's throw (theme for a broken soul), which is apparently madlib trying to go for the broken beat/west london thing, and it's pretty repetetive but i'm digging it a lot.

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Are some of those drums on 'Now or Never' from (Ludacris) 'Stand Up'?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i picked up the Platinum Pied Pipers album last night. not sure i like all the different vocalists. there's a bit of neo-soul to the whole thing, but i've only listened to it once and it hasn't really sunk in.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 May 2005 16:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

so i just listened to the PPP album again, and the production is all really nice, the drums hit really hard, but i dunno, this Tiombe Lockhart chick is sorta getting on my nerves. sounds way too much like Jill Scott or something? the Lizz Fields album on ABB reminds me a lot of this a lot also (jay dee thump production, but jill scott vocals). it's not that i don't like JS, in fact i do, but i was hoping for something different. the album's really "nice" but just doesn't get weird enough for my tastes right now. i think there's too much songwriting? hah. hopefully it'll grow on me.

the 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover is pretty great.

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm still digging on this album. The beats are pretty hard and the feel is nasty and that's what puts it over the top for me. Some of the singers/mc's are great, some are okay, but I actually like that it keeps getting switched up. Makes it feel more like a production mixtape than anything else and takes the pressure off of the vocalists.

And yeah, samba/r&b 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover is waaaay better than it could have been.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 May 2005 18:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

this thread title is stolen from right out of my head; i was thinking the exact same thing while listening to the ppr record last night and again this morning. the phrase "wash over me" is pretty accurate - i think i like the way the sounds fit together but i have a hard time finding anything to hang on to. im comforted by the fact that i once felt this way about amp fiddler and (way back in the day), bodily functions, both of which i now love. i think maybe my best hope is the plant life record; ive only given it 3-4 listens but i remember thinking it sounded very promising.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 16 May 2005 18:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

For Me:
Sa-Ra > Peven Everett > Amp Fiddler > PPP

I love that Sa-Ra tour CDr that is going around, here's to hoping they don't fuck with the formula too much on their upcoming studio disc.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"so yeah, i'm absolutely in love with this stuff. but it seems i'm one of the only ones. i think most of it is that one of my all time favorite artists is Jay Dee and i'm always looking for people trying to replicate his sound."

how many sub-jay dee beats and programming can anyone take though? i hear that sound of his in so many underground producers, i just want them to move past that mellowness, that stacatto drum pattern, and that 'this could be slum village couldnt it?!' mood music.

"i mentioned in the Sa Ra thread how the major complaint of these guys is lack of songwriting, but i just don't even understand what that means. i mean, there's a beat, a chord progression (or not, but a lot of the jazz i love is only one chord, and NEU!). there are vocals, there's sometimes a hook. i mean, coming from someone who loves jungle and dance music, how can you expect it in this genre, but not in that. are you an r'n'b-ist?"

but this doesnt come from jungle and dance, it comes from soul, R&b and hip hop. id say these guys grew up on hip hop, then are trying their hand on R&b and soul type stuff, and it shows in the songwriting, cos its pretty static and mechanical. they havent quite understood that not all music is made like hip hop is. the problem i have with ppp and sa-ra is a lot of their music lacks any sort of momentum, it just glides along, or jogs along, and never really goes anywhere. its all about maintaining a vibe rather than developing a song as such. kinda like a hip hop beat and someone singing rap lyrics. the songs with georgia (i think) on the ppp album are the absolute pits cos of this. shes just rambling on barely strung together words that sound like they should be rapped instead of sing. and the funny thing is that despite their reactionary dissing of neo soul, theyre still close to that sound with their mellowness, their tranquility and their songlessness. (btw, sa ra are not peppermints and incense, lyrically speaking - people should listen closer).

all that said, sa-ra do have a few good songs to their credit, only about 3 or 4 though.

ppp, Monday, 16 May 2005 20:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Sa-Ra have a new single/mini-compilation of their production work for Pharaoh Monche, J Dilla and Steve Spacek out now, called "Second Time Around." It is- como se dice?- fucking awesome. And apparently Kanye's signed them- if I hear "Glorious" or "Double Dutch" on mainstream pop radio I will be orgasmically happy.

Telephone thing, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i heard that new EP of theirs
its shit, pretty much
double dutch and shimmy shimmy and songs like that are great, they should be big hits, but the rest of their stuff is really hit and miss, too much
that new ep sounds like its too in between commercial R&B/hip hop and funkier underground stuff
they need to take a few more greater risks

okok, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
sort of slow on the uptake here ... but anyway ...

waajeed live on deviation (bbc 1xtra)

1. diverse - aint right
2. platinum pied pipers - try me
3. jonny miller - everyday
4. teddy seven - steady
5. alison crockett - U R (yam who? remix)
6. leroy hutson - love this feeling (moodymann reedit)
7. metal fingers - orange blossom instrumental
8. platinum pied pipers ft elleuud - one to love you
9. waajeed - vangelis
10. slum village - la la
11. jay dee - guitar
12. jay dee - it's dope
13. jay dee - kaamal
14. sa ra creative partners - glorious
15. fourtet - serious as your life (jay dee remix ft guilty simpson)
16. wajeed - untitled beat
17. platinum pied pipers - better days
18. waajeed - tron
19. theo parrish - musical metaphors
20. amp fiddler - superficial (moodymann remix)
21. urban tribe - covert action
22. galaxy 2 galaxy - journey of the dragons
23. wajeed - tron
24. rhythim is rhythim - it is what it is
25. dego & kaidi tatham - ain't nothing you can't feel
26. dabrye - you know the formula right
27. brandy - turn it up

killer set, esp if you're feeling the whole jay-dee-meets-detroit-techno sort of vibe.

hold tight for the YSI.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

needless to say i like this stuff now.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and god that looks good. plz tell me it fits on a cd.

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink


adamrl (nordicskilla), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I tried making a mix of some sa ra/jay dee stuff and then adding moodymann/parrish and some straight up Teedra-style rnb, but it didn't sound quite right.

adamrl (nordicskilla), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

fits on 2CDs (cause it's a 2hr radio show). the person i slsk'd it off was kind enough to track it, too! so you can start the 2nd disc @ sa-ra's "glorious" and you have a nice 2cd set.

anyway before we get to the YSI:


it's hard to love this shit when it's SLSKed in the form of hastily-assembled "bootleg"/"unreleased" mp3 folders on random people's. i especially had this problem w/ sa-ra. i don't want to hear a 20 track "compilation" that's 1/3rd intros/skits and 1/3rd studio outtakes and random beat compositions.

on the other hand, hearing it in mixed form w/ benji b and waajeed's heartwarming collegial chatter over the top ... OMGs all around. why have i been sleeping on PPP?!?!

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was surprised that i didn't hear more about that plant life album when it came out cuz there was some good stuff on there.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost - dude, meet me for lunch, you can have my PPP cd

plantlife is gooood.

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

gah this YSI is taking AGES

(any idea how long 164 mb should take on 802.11g broadband?)

well, expect it by ... tomorrow, at the latest.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink


vahid (vahid), Saturday, 14 January 2006 01:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

much appreciated

adamrl (nordicskilla), Saturday, 14 January 2006 01:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That Diverse song is so dope. I'll check this out.

deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 14 January 2006 02:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Thx dude.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 02:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink


vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 January 2006 02:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to this. i'll listen to it on the way to work on tuesday and report back.

would you be at all interested in a DJ Houseshoes mix? he's a detroit dj who specializes in all this stuff. the beats are all fantastic, but (honestly) the mcs are kinda backpackery. i can upload if wanted

jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 15 January 2006 02:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

gah stop bumping it until i get to work on monday so i can download it!!

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 January 2006 03:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Damn, it's dead.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ok i will re-up when strongo sez i can.

(poor strongo - working on dead president's day?)

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the press never sleeps vahid.

(p.s. thnx dude)

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink


cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you're a good man

cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i listened to most of it on the bus this morning. getting into the techno area of the broadcast so i turned it off for a sec. this is pretty old huh? they played that jaydee/fourtet remix that's been out for a long time and wajeed hadn't even heard of it. and the PPP album hadnt' even been made yet.

i think i've heard most everything that they played. the coolest parts were the interviews and hearing that Amp Fiddler taught Jay Dee how to use the MPC. i've got the amp fiddler album, but i never really got into it. i should go back and give it another chance now

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink


Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah it's quite old ... november 2003!

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

still, it's a good place to catch up

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how much does this song sound like it could have been a jay dee beat?

Weather Report - River People

xpost - yeah, it's a really good show. i do appreciate it.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

this shit better still be around when i get home

i love that diverse album

,, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Anyone out there have a copy of Woebot's Sa-Ra CDR they'd care to YSI?

Crocus Behemoth (modern dance), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure what cdr woebot has, but back in may on this thread i posted a link to probably what he's talking about. it's the first place i heard about SaRa (and became addicted). 20 or so tracks.

link's still active.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thx vahid :)

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

id love to hear that mix vahid put up but i keep getting an error message saying the file is corrupt when i try to unzip it
any ideas?

robin (robin), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i got that too, but then i used stuffit expander and it wuz all good

also make sure it's really finished downloading

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thanks for the response...
i went and downloaded stuffit though and it still doesn't work,it says engine error:unknown format

anyone else getting this?

robin (robin), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

its not a corrupt file

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...


PRKLTR (flezaffe), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

that is great!

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Pressure (Fat Beats Records) is an official mixtape of Black Milk’s previous works – from tracks he did for Pharaoh, Canibus, and SV to cuts from earlier solo efforts. Black Milk hails from the D – and will endlessly struggle with separating himself from J Dilla. T3 said of “Reunion” an SV joint that appears on Pressure: “A lot of people thought that was a Dilla track.”

free download

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
sweden? sweden!

fies, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

This is kinda alright.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah it's okay.

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

anyone else doing this kind of thing? im hopelessly out of touch w/ everything r&b.

ǝɟɟɐzǝɟ (☪), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

What's the Science? Is the question we direct to all those that dwell on the Planet Earth! From the Mother Continent of Africa, to the hills of Europe, on over to the wilderness of North America, all the way back to the Coast of Asia, living under the umbrella of Hip-Hop Culture. We ask you all, What's the Science? We are living in a time where Hip-Hop Culture is one of the most powerful forces that exists around us that helps unite people of all races, colors, creeds, religions and schools of thought under one flag. It's time to give proper thanks and praise and reverence to the ERA that raised us and guided this same movement, that still exists today, on the next level. We stand here before you as Students of the same conscious movement that birthed the likes of AFRIKA BAMBATAA, KRS ONE, RAKIM, PUBLIC ENEMY, BRAND NUBIAN, X-CLAN, POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS, KMD, THE NATIVE TONGUE and countless others that brought forth an entire essence that took the world by storm and made it cool to be intelligent. What's the Science? How long will it take us to stand up strong again to make sure that the youth have some substance to feed off in order to grow into powerful, resourceful and responsible adults able to make positive changes to the world in which we live. What's The Science?

1. Inspiration
2. Love, Hugs And Hip-Hop Soul feat. Miguel Atwood-Ferguson, Nick Rosen
3. The Right Song feat. Tiffany Paige, Fabian Ammon, Miguel Atwood-Ferguson
4. The Natural Scriptures
5. Higher feat. Tiffany Paige, Daedelus
6. Circulate feat. Invizible Handz, Nobody, Flying Lotus
7. What's The Science?
8. Honor, Courage and Karma feat. Prince Po, Dexter Story, Nate Morgan
9. Constant
10. The Replenish
11. Freedom feat. Tiffany Paige
12. The Dream feat. Dwight Trible, Miguel Atwood-Ferguson

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 00:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

So the new PPP record Abundance is around. Hip hop elements are pretty much indiscernible. The music sounds like a live band, sometimes in a straight motown/stax soul kind of way, as in the excellent "On A Cloud", sometimes with cosmic funk keys, as in "Luv Affair". A handclap-doublehandclap rhythm pops up often. Track six, "Sanctuary", is the first song that could be called a downbeat r n' b ballad in the sa-ra mold, with beats, funk fuzz and off-kilter effects that continue into "Ain't No Ifs or Maybes". "The Ghost Of Aveiro" starts like a poetic torch song with sustained notes over Latin rhythms, then after a samba breakdown with dizzy high horns becomes something highly danceable with excited vocals. The double-handclaps re-appear for "Countless Excuses", a sweet poppy soul song of regret backed with spacey synths. Both of these are A+. Fuzz and scuzz returns on "Dirty Secrets", this time with a stompy schaffel backbeat. The two-minute "Goodbye" goes four to the floor with a Kraftwerk keyboard motif, introduces some snares and is in danger of becoming full-on dance music before stopping.

Singing is by Coultrain, Karma Stewart, Jamila Raegan and Neco Redd. It's fifteen tracks, sixteen if you count the hidden one. Clocks in under an hour and still felt a bit long to me on first listen. Definitely interesting though.

subroc back to haunt, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

love a mystery!

, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

I could not get into the new record at all.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 14:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

aw, i loved abundance. especially the karma stewart numbers, "on a cloud" is fierce as fuck

Leif ericsonned (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

new ppp is way better than old ppp. but even then, i like it, but it can seem like its trying to do too much at once.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 15:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

Abundance is all right, but Triple P is a lot better imo. All the great personalities that were present on the first record got shafted in favor of anono-soulers.

The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 23:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

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