I think the Thrak band is underrated. Sure, it's kind of a big mess, but sometimes it's as good as the 80s band with a lot more NOISE and percussion flying around, which can be pretty cool.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago) link
when is this ever not the case. usually cripplingly so.
I also like Fripp's comments about the music industry, the meat starts down around the question 'why independent', but anyone who's been buying the DGM releases has seen this text in the liner notes ten times over...
actually I've heard from diehard fans that Crimson had caught their wind on the last tour. everyone seems to agree that the previous tours were just fingernail torture.
― (Jon L), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:34 (twenty years ago) link
I also just decided that most of the Power to Believe is pretty strong, certainly better than Construction of Light.
Tracks to search: 21st Century Schizoid Man (duh), Moonchild, Cat Food, Formentera Lady/Sailors Tale, the Letters (for the arpeggio pattern), Larks Tongues 1 & 2, Great Deceiver, Fracture, Red, Starless, Discipline, Frame by Frame, Sheltering Sky, Neil and jack and Me, REquiem, Sartori in Tangier, 3 of a perfect pair, Sleepless, Nuages, Industry, Larks Tongue 3, walking on air, one time, sex sleep eat drink dream, vrooom, thrak, larks tonue 4 (live version), eyes wide open, level 5, dangerous curves.
Also, a lot of the Red-era stuff I didn't mention is better in live versions (easy money, etc).
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
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― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 February 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
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― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 February 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Thursday, 12 February 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago) link
No, it's not a good thing...it's a GREAT thing!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
Hee hee.
I'd say classic and my faves are Lizard, Islands, Starless, and Red (Lark's Tongue I think I have but acquired after I stopped listening to them so that I don't really have much of an opinion). I like the odd 80s track that I've heard but I don't think I've ever listened to an entire 80s album.
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago) link
Oh, I agree totally! "Pictures of a City" is structurally like a carbon copy of "Schizoid Man". I still love both records too. Which is why I couldn't understand why Joe Lakeside said in his post to "search" the first one & "destroy" Poseidon...
― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago) link
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― bahtology, Friday, 13 February 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link
The one on Cirkus SCREAMS...the sax, especially, is just out there, speed-freaked and sleazy. The second version (out of three!) on Epitaph (track 7 on disc one) is notable for being the fastest version I've probably heard - it sounds like it could fall apart any second, but it never does. Generally, I really dig the Wetton/Bruford-era KC, but that lineup's "Schizoid Man" just wasn't crazed enough. And, check out "Schizoid Men" on Ladies of the Road, which takes up an entire disc (54 minutes!) - it's one mega-version, with various solos stitched together. You might think it's too much of a good thing, but ummm boy, it's something else.
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 13 February 2004 06:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 13 February 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
damn, he took down his version of 'fracture'.
― (Jon L), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Sunday, 13 June 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― otto, Sunday, 13 June 2004 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 13 June 2004 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Sunday, 13 June 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 13 June 2004 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link
The 80s live album, Absent Lovers, sounds so much fuller and better than the studio ones and thus even MORE like a prog Talking Heads.
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 13 June 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link
fuck the 80s and 90's k.c.it bred funk metal and you know it.
starless and bible black is probably thier last great album. and it IS great.
the song 'starless and bible black'>>>>>>>the song 'starless'
― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Sunday, 13 June 2004 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link
joe, lets dual. haha
― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Sunday, 13 June 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Sunday, 13 June 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Sunday, 13 June 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link
Their '80s stuff is even more sterile than their earlier shit, in my opinion. Hard to fault them for execution, but it sounds to me like they're just spinning their wheels with those patented riffs...
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 13 June 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 13 June 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyhow, Crimson-wise, I'll take about half of each of the early saxophone-&-Mellotron-drenched LPs, 2/3 of the mid-70s John Wetton LPs (most folks' favourites), and about 3/4 of the '80s Adrian Belew LPs - my personal favourites. Yes, it's uncharacteristic of a 70s-booster like me to prefer the 80s incarnation, but I really like those mock-Gamelan and pseudo-African/Arabic textures. Aside from bits of "Zoom" or "Thrak" or whatever, I've never really warmed up to those '90s-and-beyond Crimson LPs, but I'll probably give 'em another chance someday.
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link
And the song "Thrak" is just about as good as anything the mid-70s version did.
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
TPP is great but inconsistent. I don't like the way the vocals are mixed, making it sound like some bad '80s bargain-bin act.
― New No New Age Advanced Ambient Motor Music Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link
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― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I LOVE playing that record for people!
Next I'll try to throw on Rush's "Passage to Bangkok!"
OK, well maybe not...one step at a time
― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― McClintock, Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link
wetton's kind of a weird one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZIPwZ6BaBg
― gershy, Saturday, 9 June 2007 06:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Surmounter if you like Larks' and perhaps by now, Starless & Bible Black, you of course should cop Red which is the unbelievably heavy studio pinnacle of that line-up.
Most of all though, treat yourself eventually to some live recordings from this era. The newish release of what used to be called USA, now called Asbury Park 1974 (the USA version has overdubs, the new one doesn't), is just maybe the apotheosis of the Wetton era. As with only the very awesomest of live discs, listening to it I can't believe people actually sat in an audience and SAW THIS.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link
is that a download only from dgm? I can't seem to find the album
― akm, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Yep. http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=5&show=419
― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I think maybe it's been released on CDin one of these DGM 2-fers I've been seeing around... no?
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's on Vol. 1 of the "Collectable King Crimson" 2-fer CDs (the other concert on Vol. 1 is "Mainz 1974").
― Joe, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Let's go off the beaten path and try
the nonreleased and improv tracks on Vrooom and Vrooom Vrooom
and get the Heavy ConstruKction album for the new songs and improvs
I can't remember the names of my favorite songs this way but ccccSeizurecc, Uböö, Cage, and Blastic Rhino all seem to ring a bell
this is stuff you won't find on Thrak, The Constukction of light, and The Power To Believe albums
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.kimmopohjonen.com/img/kTU/KTU815press2-L.jpg
HMMM
― Davey D, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't find a thread for the Discipline album.
Frame by Frame has endeared itself to my heart over the last couple of weeks big time.
― Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link
nothing rocks me quite like "Red"
― poortheatre, Sunday, 9 September 2007 07:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm really excited about The Great Deceiver being re-released now. I've wanted that for years, but not found it. As good as some of the studio albums are, they always (or at least since the Wetton years) were a better live group than studio band. For those who're not familiar, TGD is a 4-disc collection of live recordings from 1973 and 1974. It's now being put out as two 2-disc sets, new packaging, but no changes whatsoever to the content of the discs themselves.
Have to admit that I would've preferred the original box being re-released as it was, as I'm not too fond of the artwork they go for these days. I also got the impression that the original liner notes are just included as a PDF this time, which is odd. But what the hell, the packaging and booklet is rarely of interest after the first day.
Further info: Elephant Talk | Wikipedia
― Øystein, Sunday, 9 September 2007 08:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Here ya go, Bimble:
Defend The Hypothetically Defensible: King Crimson's Discipline
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Sunday, 9 September 2007 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Well done! Cheers.
― Bimble, Sunday, 9 September 2007 09:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Larks Tongues in Aspic is nothing short of amazing. I feel/fear I might be going in to that Crimson phase I've been putting off for so long now...
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyysKcJLmM
:(
― Turangalila, Thursday, 16 July 2009 06:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I want this vinyl reissue of In The Wake Of Poseidon!!!
- 200g Super-Heavyweight Vinyl- Newly cut from Robert Fripp approved masters- Reprint of Original Stunning Gatefold Sleeve- Limited Time MP3 Code for access to download transfer of an original 1970 pressing
― sleeve, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
Here's some siqq ass rare 80s footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiS2LZhLvYw
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 15 March 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link