A Spacemen 3 re-evaluation

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Just what is it about Spacemen 3 that produces this sort of "conversion" experience. Very few bands seem to have this "total paradigm shift" affect on people. Maybe it's just because S3 were *mine* that I notice it more in other people.

They were absolutely shameless in their appropriation of other bands' songs and sounds, yet at the same time they were totally original. They're not the only band to ever have those influences - Velvet Underground, Neu!, Suicide, Stooges, bits of gospel - but they combined them in a way that no one has before or since. They were junkie chancers total amateurists who gave their records away for the next fix, yet they did everything with an almost autistic intensity which is utterly staggering. Their music was so *simple* - drones, never more than two chords, simple melodies, tremoloes - yet utterly imcomparable.

Two people so different that these days you can't even imagine them in the same band together, yet when you hear Playing With Fire, you can't imagine them apart.

Why do I love them so much? And why *them*?

kate, Friday, 17 January 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't have much to add other than 'The Perfect Prescription' rules the Universe (Performance, Playing With Fire and all their other stuff does too to a slightly lesser degrees). I wonder why nobody ever really talks about "fuzz" anymore (has it been subsumed by 'drones'). I just remember that the Spacemen had the textures right and then I fell in love with the bluesy and gospel-y melodies. I especially love their 17 minute cover of Rollercoaster which is barely 2 chords.

The only thing I didn't like about them was their bitchiness in interviews. They would dis Loop and then say things like the Jesus and Mary Chain weren't that special (since they had done the feedback thing too on their first album).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Day The Universe Changed was first hearing Playing With Fire in a blinding snow/ice storm while driving through that alien landscape on I-70 in Utah. An amazing cosmic event in my musical consciousness. This was the only time in memory did an album not only permanently alter my musical taste but also my very idea of what music is/what it could be.

Kate mentions "autistic intensity" - I think _Dreamweapon_ is the ultimate maximization of that. I could easily listen to it for hours and hours.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

i remember seeing sonic in like 94 where he taped a bunch of the keys on his keyboard down and played along on his guitar solo style. saw "spectrum" on their last tour of the us and it was depressingly dire and lifeless can't see what the point is anymore. why does he need to play transparent radiation every time he plays out live? sonic's side on recurring is light years better than jason's.

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 18 January 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

This was the only time in memory did an album not only permanently alter my musical taste but also my very idea of what music is/what it could be.

Ah, marvellous. This is the type of feeling MBV created in me. Allow for the seismic surprise, always. It's so transcendent when something like that happens.

Since my introduction to the whole thing was the Spectrum solo that SB released in 1990, I actually backed into it all rather than hurtling headlong. I actually like that, that my first taste was the vinyl-release of that with the spinning front and Sonic's swirl of a voice on "Help Me Please."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

They were derivative in the best possible way. They took the things that they loved about their favourite bands and pushed them to warped extremes that those bands themselves could never have forseen, and ended up sounding totally distinctive.

Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 18 January 2003 06:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Kate pretty much mirrors my feelings about S3/Pierce/Sonic Boom. I cannot utter enough words of effusive praise. The music has had a very profound impact on me. "

ditto

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 18 January 2003 06:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I actually have a production credit on a Spacemen 3 album."
You're not the joint roller on dreamweapon are you?

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

my Spacemen 3 conversion:
I was very young first song I heard was Honey off of playing with fire. I got the CD just because I liked space and astronauts, and thought the idea of music like that would be awesome.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

nah...that was pat fish, wasn't it? he of the jazz butcher.

nick ring (nick ring), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I had some vague sense of spacemen 3 that convinced me to buy recurring -- where it came from, I've no idea. I had it for a few years and enjoyed it well enough. Then one day my housemates girlfriend gave him a bag for his birthday and they both had bad experiences -- running off in the woods wishing you were dead, that sort of thing -- and were going to throw it away.

What a waste, no! my other housemate and I decried. So merrily off we went with the bag. Soon enough some neighbors came over to play hearts. That was going fine until some point in the game when it was my turn and I realized I no longer knew what the shapes on the cards meant. I'd seen them before, but could _understand_. I tried to express my bewilderment, but could only place my cards down face up on the table--I could not speak.

I walked into my room. turned on a red light. pressed play on recurring and sank into my couch. the world opened up before me. Every sound was a sight to behold. I surfed When Tomorrow Hits and crashed on a rocky beach where the undertow dragged me out to sea again. I was lost. I was connected.


So, from thereonin it went. I still think Perfect Prescription is my favorite album, but Recurring is just behind and there's Playing With Fire, but that's not to discount Dreamweapon.

nick ring (nick ring), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Man, I'd stay away from rucksacks and purses if that was my experience...

kate, Saturday, 18 January 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

No joint rolling. It's the mastering and liner notes to the "Live In 1989" album.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Sunday, 19 January 2003 08:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are almost all of spacemen 3's influences from America?
there's:
Suicide
VU
Red Crayola
Sun Ra
La Monte Young
Sam Cooke
Elvis
Stooges
13th Floor Elevators
what else?

that's unusual.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are these copies of "Recurring" that people are buying recent ones or second-hand? I'm having a bit of trouble locating it.

I would have so much more Sp3 stuff if I had the money. As it is I have to make do with that "Translucent Flashbacks" comp of the early singles.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 08:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I got my copy on saturday. my local shop had a copy on tape for £2.

haven't heard yet tho'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 09:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

ah yes. I saw Spectrum on their last tour. Waited around the bar after the show and talked to the bass player. SB then passed around a joint and we smoked. I then threw up.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Stooges for airports" was Xgau's perfect evaluation.

jh, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

entrtaining but useless evaluation i'm afraid.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I got playing w/ fire, prefect prescription, and sound of confusion back in 1989. I hadn't heard of them before but they lokked cool. Well, I was right. I've loved them ever since. REcurring is good too but not as good as the first 3 imo. Anyway, I think most of the live ablums and other posthumous releases are ok but pretty unessential. There's definitely a lot of rehashing in their discog. I'd say that it would be nice to get a definitive CD re-issue of all the proper albums though, with good mastering and packaging. Well, for the people that don't have them on vinyl anyway. Post S3 I've always preferred spiritualized (say what you want about the last record, but pure phase is a classic). I liked the first couple spectrum releases, but being a pop guy myself, I lost interest with the bleeps and blips sci-fi stuff that followed. I never saw S3 live sadly, but Spiritualized live was pretty darn good the times i saw them. Sonic/spectrum has been interesting and/or painful...

g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stooges For Airports is so on the money that the money is suing for sexual harrassment. (So long as you're referring to Eno, and not actual airport music.)

kate (suzy), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd say that it would be nice to get a definitive CD re-issue of
all the proper albums though, with good mastering and packaging.

Fret not, Playing With Fire has one via Space Age records, a two disc version. It's the one to get.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I could understand if it was a VU for airports, actually.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

She got a TV catastrophe, she got a big TV... oh! yeah!

kate, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

eleven years pass...

just finished the Morse book, anyone else read it?

i read most of a friends copy back when it came out... a load of what's in there has been summarized on wikipedia but at the time all the behind-the-scene stuff was unknown to me and pretty interesting (like them signing their big deal after they'd all but split already). would like to reread it sometime.

fit and working again, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link

Yeah I have that book

۩, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link

given that Sonic obviously cooperated with the author more than Jason did, it's funny how Sonic still comes off as the bigger asshole. I found the more hyperbolic interludes totally tiresome, but the nuts and bolts of their touring and recording was pretty interesting.

just finished the Morse book, anyone else read it?

I was interviewed for it. It's OK... thought that the DREAMWEAPON framing device at the beginning was somewhat of a stretch. I wish that the book was being written now - there's more stories and folks seem more talkative now.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link

Sonic complaining that Jason was using/"stealing" his effects/techniques for songs that were going on a Spacemen 3 record is so wtf

junkies amirite

four years pass...

Well, this is new to me. 80 minutes of video footage (apparently with enhanced audio and video from original) of a 1989 concert in Arnheim, shot by the promoter. Sounding really good so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gnj9tFuTTc

jaywbabcock, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link

Includes rendition of Suicide's "Che" beginning at 38:35 mark

jaywbabcock, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Listening to 'Recurring' tonight because a friend said she was listening to it a couple nights ago. It's not like I've never tried to like Spacemen 3 in the past, but it never worked. Tonight? It's working. Yay!

I'll preemptively declare I still find Spiritualized to be incredibly boring, but maybe 2021 will be a surprising year.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 April 2021 04:37 (three years ago) link

Recurring is a lot of fun IMO, and you should work backwards to Playing With Fire if you dig it

Sonic > Jason but damn Jason had some good tunes

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Sunday, 4 April 2021 04:39 (three years ago) link

What saves them from being mere junkie-bores though is an honesty about the darker side, and the euphoria they capture in their music.

yeah this (from nineteen years ago)

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Sunday, 4 April 2021 07:54 (three years ago) link

do you have to be high

nothing (Left), Sunday, 4 April 2021 10:42 (three years ago) link

I always figured that to be the case, but I can now confirm that you do not.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 April 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

Spacemen 3’s “Big City” is having a moment
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/spacemen-3s-big-city-is-having-a-moment/

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 04:44 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Off Festival in Poland has both Sonic and Spiritualized on the line-up: https://off-festival.pl

(this led to a funny social media exchange about if there was a Spacemen 3 reunion, it would be a spontaneous one-off in Poland.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 3 April 2023 23:46 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUszsUz3lPI

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 July 2023 04:01 (nine months ago) link

Will is so great. The second Freelovebabies album is probably my favorite S3 related thing besides Spiritualized.

Cow_Art, Monday, 10 July 2023 11:43 (nine months ago) link


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