Kristin Hersh (solo) - C/D, S/D, OPO, RFD, &c.

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First impressions:

1. Relentlessly downbeat (even for Kristin). Veering close to self parody at times.
2. Dave Narcizo drums on nearly all the tracks. This helps make the overall sound a lot closer to Throwing Muses than most Hersh solo LPs have been (a plus for me). I like the string arrangements too.
3. A couple of good tunes, but no obvious standout tracks.
4. Her voice is completely shot these days. Does this make the album title ironic?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm so embarrassed i haven't heard any kristin solos. really big on throwing muses - it's kind of exciting tho cuz i have this whole world to discover.

the world of kristin. alone.

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

where should i start?

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link


I've never really been able to get into her solo stuff all that much. I'm hoping this new one will be more up my alley.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Start @ the beginning, sur - Hips & Makers. JBR OTM wrt that & Strange Angels being her solo peaks (tho Sky Motel's pretty good in a University-era TM manner, if I'm remembering it right). The other stuff - Sunny Border Blue, The Grotto, that olde tyme Murder, Mystery OOP CD, & zee new one - I can't speak on so much.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Start @ the beginning, sur - Hips & Makers. JBR OTM wrt that & Strange Angels being her solo peaks (tho Sky Motel's pretty good in a University-era TM manner, if I'm rememb

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks!

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF is up w/ ILX cutting me off half-way thru posts?!?!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

lol it 1.5x ur post

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

4. Her voice is completely shot these days. Does this make the album title ironic?

Yeah, I have a 2005 live recording by her and it's a bit sad to hear her settling into her late-70's Marianne Faithful phase.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno i mean her voice has always been about how she uses it, right? how bad can it get?

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

But it was always clear and not gravelly. I'm a bit afraid of what it sounds like on the new album but the praise on this thread is giving me some hope.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

IMO, her voice hasn't always been clear - in fact, in my mind, one of the defining characteristics of her voice has been not necessarily gravelly but

scratchy, for lack of a better word. like it always made sense to me that she sang about kissing gravel on Limbo.

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

If you like "scratchy" then you'll love how she sounds these days!

You're right in that she is fairly limited, vocally ... she doesn't have much range, so her voice is easily stretched. This isn't a bad thing, mind you (it gives the songs a "gutsy" quality), and for the most part she can sing powerfully enough to pull it off. But now, she sounds hoarse even the middle of her range.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i see

no but totally not a bad thing - i always LIKED the "gutsy" stretching stuff

lots of character

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Start with "Sunny Border Blue" then work back then go with the post SBB albums (Muses and solo).

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Has her voice changed much compared to the 50 Ft Wave full-length?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

throwing muses are my 2nd favorite band of all time. i think. right? yeah.

i have to hear the 50 ft wave.

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

You can get a free 50 Ft Wave album off her website (throwingmusic.com).

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

50 ft. wave might have ruined her voice if it really sounds that scratchy now

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

really?? free?? that's so weird

surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm, might be production. She sounded pretty raw and raspy on the first Throwing Muses album.

As an addendum to this thread, the additional CD of Kristen Hersh performing Throwing Muses songs solo live in Hoboken that came free with early editions of Red Heaven is well worth tracking down...

http://www.discogs.com/release/534791

In finding that link however I did find this which maybe pretty good too...

http://www.archive.org/details/KristinHersh1999-10-22.cm-s20.flac16

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

her voice doesn't sound any raspier or more thrashed than it has on anything else she's done since Limbo, to me. good album.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

She's touring the UK in early march - hurrah!

Mark Co (Markco), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow! Pretty good on my first listen - the 1st track really grabbed me.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

She was amazing live. She played a few weeks ago, and there was barely anyone in the record store--maybe 20 people, tops. So we stepped right up to the front. and it was free(!).
She played mostly new tunes, Gazebo Tree, Sundrops, and I think Your Dirty Answer.
She was so sarcastic, I loved it. (banter about NPR has "hosts instead of DJs," and the wikipedia stub that says she writes songs about many things, like apples and cowboys.)I never get starstruck, but she was just so cool in a very real way. So when I was asking her to sign Golden Ocean, I remember saying some really stupid things, cuz i was semi-nervous. which was annoying, but..aahh, whatever.
But she was definitely hypnotizing.
Mesmerized, it was awesome.

And yeah, her voice was definitely pretty raspy--i.e., my friend who'd never heard a note of Hersh things prior
remarked that Kristin sounded like an 80 year old smoker.
Though, I don't know if I'm just accustomed to her voice,
--I mean, I do usually enjoy my music a little scrambled anyway,
but I really enjoyed her delivery. It was raspy, but it was completely "in there" and sincere.
I just love her, she's great.

mox twelve (Mox twleve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for that archive.org link... wow! I forget about that site.

only just got round to hearing the "Live at Noe Valley Ministry" official thing too. Good!

Stream the new one in full here :)

about:coffee (fandango), Sunday, 11 February 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i love her voice on limbo

Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, 11 February 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i just love her so much. i'm sorry i'm getting all emotional.

Surmounter (rra123), Sunday, 11 February 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Continuing my belated exposure to the Muses in general, I got Hips & Makers in the mail today. "Your Ghost" and "Houdini Blues" are as chilling as I remember. As for the rest, stay tuned.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm planning on seeing her April 19 at the Narrows in Fall River, Mass. Supposedly she's appearing with a "full band with strings."
Anyone know how many strings we're talking about? I can't imagine you can fit too many musicians on that tiny stage.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

lucky u

Surmounter, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I am, as she lives only 15 minutes from my home. I've seen her live surprisingly few times, however.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

whaaat. that's hot.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm planning on seeing her April 19 at the Narrows in Fall River, Mass. Supposedly she's appearing with a "full band with strings." Anyone know how many strings we're talking about? I can't imagine you can fit too many musicians on that tiny stage.

I'd guess what you'll see will be the same as on the recent UK tour - 50 Foot Wave (or Pussyfoot Wave as Kristin calls them in this situation) plus The McCarricks on violin and cello. You may also get The McCarricks as the opening act.

I saw the Manchester UK show and I'm very, very envious of you.

ExtensionsOff, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

here we go. finally.

got my hands on a kh solo, Hips and Makers. Only 3/4 of a song into it, and i'm really, well, i don't even know how to finish this sentence.

"i think last night, you were driving circles around me"

bet it gets even better?

Surmounter, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Sundrops! woot!

Surmounter, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Alfred I think it was you who reminded of that Tanya song on RAmona, Not Too Soon - was that you? Such a good call.

Surmounter, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Strange Angels has more of the "Your Ghost" neurotic/obsessive/claustrophobic vibe than the remainder of Hips and Makers IMO. I'm with the OP's OP.

wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link

(I swear there was a period in '89 - '90 where I was R.E.M.'s #1 Fayunnn but Stipe has kinda ruined the wondrous "Your Ghost" for me these days.)

wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Recent introductees, do yourselves a favor and go buy Sunny Border Blue tonight.

milo z, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Strange Angels is really, really good. I'm so glad I bought it a couple of weeks ago. "A Loon" = scary.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link

er, Hips & Makers, that is (I was listening to Laurie Anderson a few minutes ago).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link

omg A Loon is amazing

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link

love that

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 04:19 (sixteen years ago) link

OK so I like the strings on strings and voice, but I wish she had more sonic depth in places. i am intrigued by the songwriting, it seems meditative, deliberate. interesting to hear what pops out in more listens

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG she's playing tomorrow night at the Bowery! who's going?

Surmounter, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link

honestly, i love A Loon, and i can't believe i get to see this woman tomorrow night. i just got this CD yesterday, and i've never seen her before!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link

i saw her, talked to her and she signed her new CD to me and thanked me for coming.

what else can i say? night fulfilled.

Surmounter, Thursday, 26 April 2007 05:01 (sixteen years ago) link

um Learn To Sing Like a Star sounds GREAT.

i love that i recognize some of the hooks from the show.

Surmounter, Saturday, 28 April 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Ooh, I'm ready for new stuff. Strange Angels and Sky Motel have been sounding so good to me recently. Don't know why I never spent much time with the latter.

geoffreyess, Saturday, 6 October 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link

sky motel is so damn good

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link

this is a good album. is she even capable of making a bad album? I've never heard one.

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link

like, all muses albums, all her solo albums, the 50 ft Wave stuff...all of it's great. some greater than the rest obviously but I will always listen to one of her records all the way through.

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 03:16 (five years ago) link

btw did she play everything on this? I can't find any decent credits or liners online. Who sings backup on Halfway Home (my favorite on the album; I listened to that on repeat 4x yesterday)

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link

if you ask her on twitter she'll probably tell you!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 8 October 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link

My song of the day was "Gin". I heard it on a radio podcast walking home after work without knowing who it was and I thought I know that voice from when it was not as broken (which is by no means bad). Great song which catapulted me back into the early nineties. The Throwing Muses was one of the first indie bands I got to know. In the podcast the radio dj said something about her being bipolar. I hope the music helps her to get through the day.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 8 October 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link

she did a recent interview where she said it turns out she was not bipolar, she has some kind of deep PTSD from childhood that manifests in different ways, mainly through music; and that she often has no recollection of writing songs, performing them live, or even knows what they mean.

akm, Monday, 8 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link

"Gin" is great yeah; my favourite from the new LP.

btw did she play everything on this? I can't find any decent credits or liners online. Who sings backup on Halfway Home?
Mostly all done by Kristin but there are five other credited performers, three drummers and two bass players - one of which, Chris Brady, is also credited with backing vocals.

Jeff W, Monday, 15 October 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link

I should go buy this rather than listening off apple music.

akm, Monday, 15 October 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link

the new album is incredibly good, glad Sky Motel was brought up because it's the clear predecessor here

("Gin" is from the Crooked sessions from when it was called Speedbath, FWIW; maybe one day we'll get "Around Dusk" released)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link

(actually, "Gin" was intended to be a Throwing Muses song? or at least it was back then https://www.kristinhersh.com/gin/)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

Seeing her tomorrow for the first time. Can’t fucking wait.

Mule, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 14:24 (two weeks ago) link

highest recommendations for Rat Girl, just a great book

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

God I love her

Mule, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

same

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

I have her book about her relationship with Vic chestnutt but I couldn’t get very far. Anyone else read it?

Comfortably numbnuts (Heez), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:14 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't, but I can second the Rat Girl recommendation, it's an amazing memoir. I need to read the more recent one.

Hips and Makers finally getting a very overdue vinyl reissue (along with Strings) for RSD this year.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 22:49 (two weeks ago) link

Never got around to Rat Girl, but I will

Mule, Thursday, 4 April 2024 07:41 (two weeks ago) link


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